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<blockquote data-quote="MWBATL" data-source="post: 591964" data-attributes="member: 944"><p>I am going to try to respond to your points in separate comments because some I agree with, some I disagree with, and it can become confusing in one huge post (which I am eminently guilty of as well...). Racism is a factor in America...I hope I have not given you the impression that it is not. The difference is that where you see it as apparently HUGE (to borrow a Trumpism), I see it as far less of a factor on the national stage. I challenge your statistic that 70% of Republicans expressed doubt about Obama's nationality (unless "I don't know and I don't care" counts as expressing doubt). Really. To state that every conservative caucus was headed up by a birther?? Um, <strong>Wall Street Journal</strong> anyone? I won't bother to go look but I can GUARANTEE you that you are simply incorrect. In fact, here is what <strong>The Daily Beast</strong> (another right wing site, I know)...said</p><p><em>Today was a big case of fail from our media. The bogus story? A claim that 64% of Republicans <a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/120815791/Fairleigh-Dickinson-poll-on-conspiracy-theories" target="_blank">believe</a> President Obama was born outside the United States. POLITICO's accurately written <a href="http://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/poll-obamas-hiding-something-86349.html" target="_blank">writeup</a>, which used significantly more appropriate wording, was swiftly featured on the Drudge Report. POLITICO, however, seems alone in reporting it fairly.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em><a href="http://www.salon.com/2013/01/17/poll_64_of_republicans_are_birthers/" target="_blank">Salon</a>, <a href="http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2013/01/17/1464151/64-percent-of-republicans-are-birthers-poll-finds/" target="_blank">Think Progress</a>, and <a href="http://gawker.com/5976768/64-of-republicans-say-obama-seems-kind-of-squirrelly-was-born-in-kenya" target="_blank">Gawker</a> rushed to the report this news as proof 64% of Republicans were "birthers." (To his credit, Alex Seitz-Wald, the Salon reporter, swiftly corrected his account.)</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>Here's the question, which could be answered as true, somewhat true, unlikely, not at all likely, refuse to answer, or do not know: "President Obama is hiding important information about his background and early life." </em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>That's it. No mention of his birthplace, no hinting at his citizenship, no allusions to Kenya. A simple: do you believe the President is hiding something? </em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>So judge the question as you will, but journalists have no business stretching answers to this question into a headline like that employed by Think Progress' Adam Peck, who felt it appropriate to revise his story's headline from an initial "64% of Republicans are Birthers" to "As Many as 64% of Republicans are Birthers." The first statement is untrue. The second is as likely as the odds of President Obama actually being from Kenya.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p>The media has been truly terrible at getting facts out correctly, and I am afraid it sounds like you have been taken in by some of the (umm, I won't say Fake News) misleading reporting that sensationalizes the realities. Most Republicans don't really care about where Obama was born. Simple as that. Polls can be terrible indicators unless you really go and look at how the question was asked and answered. </p><p></p><p>I do happen to agree that Trump was sad in his pushing of birtherism. It was (and is) irrelevant. That some Republicans might lie to a pollster because they did not like Obama's policies should also come as no surprise.</p><p></p><p>Birtherism is a sad tale, but it is almost as sad and frustrating as the left's insistence that racism is fueling the right wing in this country. I would never say racism doesn't exist, and have consistently said it must be opposed wherever it is found...on the left or the right.....but it is NOT nearly the exaggerated threat you seem to fear it to be. </p><p></p><p>Thashoulddl make you happy.....</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MWBATL, post: 591964, member: 944"] I am going to try to respond to your points in separate comments because some I agree with, some I disagree with, and it can become confusing in one huge post (which I am eminently guilty of as well...). Racism is a factor in America...I hope I have not given you the impression that it is not. The difference is that where you see it as apparently HUGE (to borrow a Trumpism), I see it as far less of a factor on the national stage. I challenge your statistic that 70% of Republicans expressed doubt about Obama's nationality (unless "I don't know and I don't care" counts as expressing doubt). Really. To state that every conservative caucus was headed up by a birther?? Um, [B]Wall Street Journal[/B] anyone? I won't bother to go look but I can GUARANTEE you that you are simply incorrect. In fact, here is what [B]The Daily Beast[/B] (another right wing site, I know)...said [I]Today was a big case of fail from our media. The bogus story? A claim that 64% of Republicans [URL='http://www.scribd.com/doc/120815791/Fairleigh-Dickinson-poll-on-conspiracy-theories']believe[/URL] President Obama was born outside the United States. POLITICO's accurately written [URL='http://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/poll-obamas-hiding-something-86349.html']writeup[/URL], which used significantly more appropriate wording, was swiftly featured on the Drudge Report. POLITICO, however, seems alone in reporting it fairly. [URL='http://www.salon.com/2013/01/17/poll_64_of_republicans_are_birthers/']Salon[/URL], [URL='http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2013/01/17/1464151/64-percent-of-republicans-are-birthers-poll-finds/']Think Progress[/URL], and [URL='http://gawker.com/5976768/64-of-republicans-say-obama-seems-kind-of-squirrelly-was-born-in-kenya']Gawker[/URL] rushed to the report this news as proof 64% of Republicans were "birthers." (To his credit, Alex Seitz-Wald, the Salon reporter, swiftly corrected his account.) Here's the question, which could be answered as true, somewhat true, unlikely, not at all likely, refuse to answer, or do not know: "President Obama is hiding important information about his background and early life." That's it. No mention of his birthplace, no hinting at his citizenship, no allusions to Kenya. A simple: do you believe the President is hiding something? So judge the question as you will, but journalists have no business stretching answers to this question into a headline like that employed by Think Progress' Adam Peck, who felt it appropriate to revise his story's headline from an initial "64% of Republicans are Birthers" to "As Many as 64% of Republicans are Birthers." The first statement is untrue. The second is as likely as the odds of President Obama actually being from Kenya. [/I] The media has been truly terrible at getting facts out correctly, and I am afraid it sounds like you have been taken in by some of the (umm, I won't say Fake News) misleading reporting that sensationalizes the realities. Most Republicans don't really care about where Obama was born. Simple as that. Polls can be terrible indicators unless you really go and look at how the question was asked and answered. I do happen to agree that Trump was sad in his pushing of birtherism. It was (and is) irrelevant. That some Republicans might lie to a pollster because they did not like Obama's policies should also come as no surprise. Birtherism is a sad tale, but it is almost as sad and frustrating as the left's insistence that racism is fueling the right wing in this country. I would never say racism doesn't exist, and have consistently said it must be opposed wherever it is found...on the left or the right.....but it is NOT nearly the exaggerated threat you seem to fear it to be. Thashoulddl make you happy..... [/QUOTE]
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