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<blockquote data-quote="MWBATL" data-source="post: 591656" data-attributes="member: 944"><p>First of all, we completely agree on what the American Dream needs to be....equal opportunity for all American citizens, regardless or race or income level. We are nowhere near that yet, and it does disturb and sadden me. I have at times spoken to 8th graders and HS students about college and their options ...and have found a high proportion of black kids simply don't think it is possible for them. They have already 'given up' before they ever got into the race. That is not only sad for them but how many potentially brilliant kids do we as a society miss out on because we have not solved that problem? I do believe we are slowly getting better at it, and I don't have any "silver bullet" answers to solving it...but we do at least agree on the objective, which is refreshing.</p><p></p><p>As to the guaranteed income, have you looked at Andrew Yang's proposals? I was exposed to them by a friend I respect and they intrigue me. Personally, I am in favor of experimenting with them in a state to see how they work. (And yes, I am a Trump supporter.) I am not convinced they will work and have some of the usual fiscal conservatives' concerns (if you give people money, how many will decide they just don't want to work?)....BUT I also acknowledge there is very little real data on the idea and frankly I can see how it could result in genuine benefits.....so I am indeed in favor or a real life trial in a large enough area and over a long enough period of time to gather some real data.</p><p></p><p>Yang appeals to me for a number of reasons (even if a couple of his ideas turn me off.) I am just sorry that folks like him don't seem to have a realistic shot at being elected. I think his proposals are almost too cerebral and don't have some of the base emotional appeal that all politics seems to have devolved into. Somehow, supporting reparations is something that is emotionally satisfying to many in the left base (even many of my black friends concede there is an element of revenge in it in many cases). Supporting a basic income is something that is too confusing or complicated for many on both sides of the aisle. Conservatives will knee-jerk it with "another giveaway" while liberals will think it is not favorable enough to the aggrieved groups (like blacks). But. boy if he could make it through a crowded field, I might be seriously inclined to vote for him.....</p><p></p><p>(By the way, I suppose I should admit that I am a Trump supporter because, as my Dad used to say all the time..."Life is a choice among AVAILABLE alternatives."...and Trump has been the least of the evils in my book. But I don't mean to get partisan on you, just letting you know that there are plenty of aspects of Mr. Trump that I would prefer were different.)</p><p></p><p>I acho you comments about enjoying a discussion with civility and thoughtfulness. Enjoy your weekend!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MWBATL, post: 591656, member: 944"] First of all, we completely agree on what the American Dream needs to be....equal opportunity for all American citizens, regardless or race or income level. We are nowhere near that yet, and it does disturb and sadden me. I have at times spoken to 8th graders and HS students about college and their options ...and have found a high proportion of black kids simply don't think it is possible for them. They have already 'given up' before they ever got into the race. That is not only sad for them but how many potentially brilliant kids do we as a society miss out on because we have not solved that problem? I do believe we are slowly getting better at it, and I don't have any "silver bullet" answers to solving it...but we do at least agree on the objective, which is refreshing. As to the guaranteed income, have you looked at Andrew Yang's proposals? I was exposed to them by a friend I respect and they intrigue me. Personally, I am in favor of experimenting with them in a state to see how they work. (And yes, I am a Trump supporter.) I am not convinced they will work and have some of the usual fiscal conservatives' concerns (if you give people money, how many will decide they just don't want to work?)....BUT I also acknowledge there is very little real data on the idea and frankly I can see how it could result in genuine benefits.....so I am indeed in favor or a real life trial in a large enough area and over a long enough period of time to gather some real data. Yang appeals to me for a number of reasons (even if a couple of his ideas turn me off.) I am just sorry that folks like him don't seem to have a realistic shot at being elected. I think his proposals are almost too cerebral and don't have some of the base emotional appeal that all politics seems to have devolved into. Somehow, supporting reparations is something that is emotionally satisfying to many in the left base (even many of my black friends concede there is an element of revenge in it in many cases). Supporting a basic income is something that is too confusing or complicated for many on both sides of the aisle. Conservatives will knee-jerk it with "another giveaway" while liberals will think it is not favorable enough to the aggrieved groups (like blacks). But. boy if he could make it through a crowded field, I might be seriously inclined to vote for him..... (By the way, I suppose I should admit that I am a Trump supporter because, as my Dad used to say all the time..."Life is a choice among AVAILABLE alternatives."...and Trump has been the least of the evils in my book. But I don't mean to get partisan on you, just letting you know that there are plenty of aspects of Mr. Trump that I would prefer were different.) I acho you comments about enjoying a discussion with civility and thoughtfulness. Enjoy your weekend! [/QUOTE]
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