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<blockquote data-quote="MWBATL" data-source="post: 590271" data-attributes="member: 944"><p>First, I want to thank you for a thoughtful and respectful reply. I appreciate your comments and the tone especially is appreciated.</p><p></p><p>And many of the things you have stated are true and are issues that we as a society, working together hand-in-hand, must address. I discuss these things with my black friends and listen to their experiences. You cannot hear them talk about their own experiences being black in America without recognizing that there are some basic issues that must constantly be guarded against, and rooted out.</p><p></p><p>I do think reparations is a topic we'll disagree on fundamentally, for one simple reason....there isn't any way to determine or decide how far back you should go to pay out such reparations. Zulus, when they migrated into the land they lived on in South Africa when whites arrived in numbers, killed an estimated 1-2 million people (all blacks) in the Mfecane. Should the Zulu pay reparations? Should Israel pay reparations to the Palestinians? Oh, but wait, the land belonged to the Israelites 2,000 years ago, so maybe the Palestinians owe reparations to the Jews? You say that whites defend their inaction by stating that blacks have done a lot of bad things too....well, that's factually correct...and if one wants to start paying out one way, you should try to take into account everything and pay out all ways. Or maybe we should just leave it all be and move forward with our lives instead of arguing about such matters when there isn't going to be a good end in site for anyone. But, truthfully, that's a separate discussion....(interesting one, that I think you and I could chat about respectfully, but still, an aside).</p><p></p><p>I also agree fully with the concept that the dominant group in any society has an advantage and power over other groups in that society. My point in stating that "white privilege is a racist term" is to make the argument that...while this has been true in America, it is NOT a statement that is true in all societies. There is nothing about being "white" that makes one inherently racist in the abstract. It is similar to arguing about whether blacks are responsible for violent crime in America. Statistically, it is a correct statement that blacks commit more violent crime, especially proportionally. But there is nothing inherent in being black that makes one predisposed to violent crime, therefore it IS a racist statement to say that blacks are responsible for most violent crime. I am not sure I am explaining this well...my point is about causality instead of coincidence. There is NO link between being black being a cause of violent crime, ergo to make that link in a statement is incorrect (and racist). The same is true about white privilege.</p><p></p><p>Further, just as statements about blacks committing most violent crimes are damaging to the development of a healthy "diverse" society where all people are respected.....(and I do believe such statements are damaging), I would argue that white privilege has the same damaging effect. To state that our society has been racist is true, but I would rather emphasize the progress we have made, are making and continue to make. Visiting that museum in Montgomery is probably an excellent place to realize what progress HAS been made, even if it also a remembrance of a shameful past.</p><p></p><p>Humans have been cruel to each other throughout human history. The Hutus and Tutsis in Rwanda, the English and Irish in the British Isles, heck the Japanese and Chinese in WW2, are all examples off the top of my head or exceptionally brutal tribalism which is not racist per se, but demonstrates how tribal humans have been throughout history. Whites are certainly no exception to that. Nor should whites be demonized for it as a race. The behavior should be challenged, yes. Not the race as a whole.</p><p></p><p>To reach the ideal of diversity that is positive and uplifting, ALL people need to abandon the divisions and name-calling that I seem to see arising more and more....</p><p></p><p>Thank you again for your insights and I hope my comments are as respectful as yours were....</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MWBATL, post: 590271, member: 944"] First, I want to thank you for a thoughtful and respectful reply. I appreciate your comments and the tone especially is appreciated. And many of the things you have stated are true and are issues that we as a society, working together hand-in-hand, must address. I discuss these things with my black friends and listen to their experiences. You cannot hear them talk about their own experiences being black in America without recognizing that there are some basic issues that must constantly be guarded against, and rooted out. I do think reparations is a topic we'll disagree on fundamentally, for one simple reason....there isn't any way to determine or decide how far back you should go to pay out such reparations. Zulus, when they migrated into the land they lived on in South Africa when whites arrived in numbers, killed an estimated 1-2 million people (all blacks) in the Mfecane. Should the Zulu pay reparations? Should Israel pay reparations to the Palestinians? Oh, but wait, the land belonged to the Israelites 2,000 years ago, so maybe the Palestinians owe reparations to the Jews? You say that whites defend their inaction by stating that blacks have done a lot of bad things too....well, that's factually correct...and if one wants to start paying out one way, you should try to take into account everything and pay out all ways. Or maybe we should just leave it all be and move forward with our lives instead of arguing about such matters when there isn't going to be a good end in site for anyone. But, truthfully, that's a separate discussion....(interesting one, that I think you and I could chat about respectfully, but still, an aside). I also agree fully with the concept that the dominant group in any society has an advantage and power over other groups in that society. My point in stating that "white privilege is a racist term" is to make the argument that...while this has been true in America, it is NOT a statement that is true in all societies. There is nothing about being "white" that makes one inherently racist in the abstract. It is similar to arguing about whether blacks are responsible for violent crime in America. Statistically, it is a correct statement that blacks commit more violent crime, especially proportionally. But there is nothing inherent in being black that makes one predisposed to violent crime, therefore it IS a racist statement to say that blacks are responsible for most violent crime. I am not sure I am explaining this well...my point is about causality instead of coincidence. There is NO link between being black being a cause of violent crime, ergo to make that link in a statement is incorrect (and racist). The same is true about white privilege. Further, just as statements about blacks committing most violent crimes are damaging to the development of a healthy "diverse" society where all people are respected.....(and I do believe such statements are damaging), I would argue that white privilege has the same damaging effect. To state that our society has been racist is true, but I would rather emphasize the progress we have made, are making and continue to make. Visiting that museum in Montgomery is probably an excellent place to realize what progress HAS been made, even if it also a remembrance of a shameful past. Humans have been cruel to each other throughout human history. The Hutus and Tutsis in Rwanda, the English and Irish in the British Isles, heck the Japanese and Chinese in WW2, are all examples off the top of my head or exceptionally brutal tribalism which is not racist per se, but demonstrates how tribal humans have been throughout history. Whites are certainly no exception to that. Nor should whites be demonized for it as a race. The behavior should be challenged, yes. Not the race as a whole. To reach the ideal of diversity that is positive and uplifting, ALL people need to abandon the divisions and name-calling that I seem to see arising more and more.... Thank you again for your insights and I hope my comments are as respectful as yours were.... [/QUOTE]
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