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<blockquote data-quote="MWBATL" data-source="post: 589963" data-attributes="member: 944"><p>OK...I have a very politically incorrect question.....</p><p></p><p>Please do NOT assume this is a racist question, as in point of fact, as a student of history, it is not at all meant in a racist way (not even implied racism for those of you who might fancy that concept).....</p><p></p><p>What do people mean when they say "Diversity if Good?", and the follow-up question..."Is Diversity Good?"</p><p></p><p>I'll supply a little context. Throughout history, there have been both positives and negatives to "diversity". If one means that term to imply the integration of peoples with different backgrounds, tribal affiliations, racial groups, languages, skills, knowledge, etc into one homogenous group, which becomes enriched by the process of integration and stronger as a result ....then there are plenty of good examples of this. Rome used this technique in its early empire building phase to integrate states and peoples they conquered into the empire and made them Romans, even if they were born in Spain or Africa or wherever. Conceptually (with the glaring exception of slaves) the United States was born on the same principles (at least in theory). I think there is very little doubt that this is a good idea (if sometimes hard to pull off because of the native tribalism of human beings in general). </p><p></p><p>On the other hand, diversity that encourages a broadening of basic values so that society merely fractures and develops huge internal rifts and disparities is a very bad thing for societies and often has been the primary reason for the collapse of a culture/empire. (Again, see Rome for one of any number of examples.....but the failure of European cultures to integrate muslims into their societies is another example).</p><p></p><p>In America today, I find it fascinating that we have somehow moved from the first definition towards the second. Minority groups now tend to want to put their own separate culture on a pedestal (which every minority group has done and which is human to do) BUT they also seem to want to tear down "white" culture as being destructive. The first part of that is natural and worthwhile...the second part of that is destructive and divisive. Wanting to tear down <u>racism</u> is completely natural and should be fully supported by every thinking human. But to use terms like "white privilege" is, in fact, a racist term. The counter-argument (of course) is that this is a country where racism has historically been practiced by whites, BUT history shows us this is NOT a practice that has been historically favored by one race or tribe worldwide. Blacks, yellows, whites, and tribes of all kinds have historically practiced slavery, racism, tribalism etc etc</p><p></p><p>While the term is somewhat offensive, what I am really talking about here is the changing cultural values that I think I perceive in this country. Family breakdown is the single biggest problem I perceive as it seems to lead to a wide variety of social ills. But even beyond that, a simple example that leaves me shaking my head and wondering is the recent shooting of a wanted felon in Memphis and the resulting civil unrest born of it, including the defense of that unrest by many. Here was a person who was wanted for the violent theft of a car and who was charged with shooting the car's owner to steal it. The owner survived, and ID'ed the thief. Warrants were issued. The accused was tracked down and cornered by US Marshals. The suspect then reportedly rammed their (stolen) car into the Marshals car, exited the vehicle and had a weapon. He was shot dead by the marshals. Unrest broke out in the neighborhood within hours. The city councilwoman defended the troublemakers on twitter. I was absolutely flabbergasted by this whole story. To me, it reflected a definite change in values and attitudes from a couple of decades ago.</p><p></p><p>What am I missing? Am I being deaf?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MWBATL, post: 589963, member: 944"] OK...I have a very politically incorrect question..... Please do NOT assume this is a racist question, as in point of fact, as a student of history, it is not at all meant in a racist way (not even implied racism for those of you who might fancy that concept)..... What do people mean when they say "Diversity if Good?", and the follow-up question..."Is Diversity Good?" I'll supply a little context. Throughout history, there have been both positives and negatives to "diversity". If one means that term to imply the integration of peoples with different backgrounds, tribal affiliations, racial groups, languages, skills, knowledge, etc into one homogenous group, which becomes enriched by the process of integration and stronger as a result ....then there are plenty of good examples of this. Rome used this technique in its early empire building phase to integrate states and peoples they conquered into the empire and made them Romans, even if they were born in Spain or Africa or wherever. Conceptually (with the glaring exception of slaves) the United States was born on the same principles (at least in theory). I think there is very little doubt that this is a good idea (if sometimes hard to pull off because of the native tribalism of human beings in general). On the other hand, diversity that encourages a broadening of basic values so that society merely fractures and develops huge internal rifts and disparities is a very bad thing for societies and often has been the primary reason for the collapse of a culture/empire. (Again, see Rome for one of any number of examples.....but the failure of European cultures to integrate muslims into their societies is another example). In America today, I find it fascinating that we have somehow moved from the first definition towards the second. Minority groups now tend to want to put their own separate culture on a pedestal (which every minority group has done and which is human to do) BUT they also seem to want to tear down "white" culture as being destructive. The first part of that is natural and worthwhile...the second part of that is destructive and divisive. Wanting to tear down [U]racism[/U] is completely natural and should be fully supported by every thinking human. But to use terms like "white privilege" is, in fact, a racist term. The counter-argument (of course) is that this is a country where racism has historically been practiced by whites, BUT history shows us this is NOT a practice that has been historically favored by one race or tribe worldwide. Blacks, yellows, whites, and tribes of all kinds have historically practiced slavery, racism, tribalism etc etc While the term is somewhat offensive, what I am really talking about here is the changing cultural values that I think I perceive in this country. Family breakdown is the single biggest problem I perceive as it seems to lead to a wide variety of social ills. But even beyond that, a simple example that leaves me shaking my head and wondering is the recent shooting of a wanted felon in Memphis and the resulting civil unrest born of it, including the defense of that unrest by many. Here was a person who was wanted for the violent theft of a car and who was charged with shooting the car's owner to steal it. The owner survived, and ID'ed the thief. Warrants were issued. The accused was tracked down and cornered by US Marshals. The suspect then reportedly rammed their (stolen) car into the Marshals car, exited the vehicle and had a weapon. He was shot dead by the marshals. Unrest broke out in the neighborhood within hours. The city councilwoman defended the troublemakers on twitter. I was absolutely flabbergasted by this whole story. To me, it reflected a definite change in values and attitudes from a couple of decades ago. What am I missing? Am I being deaf? [/QUOTE]
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