How does a non-committable offer work?

[ilovetheoption]

Like, what does the coach say to the kid?

Do they say "you have an offer from us, but you can't commit right now"?

Do they tell the kid the offer is contingent on a bunch of other guys that the team likes better not committing?

I've often thought that are non committable offer isn't an offer, and we really ought to have a separate category for it, but I just have no idea how it even works, or how a kid doesn't take massive insult at it.

 

[SolicitorJacket]

I just have no idea how it even works, or how a kid doesn't take massive insult at it.

I imagine it is like when a pretty girl strings you along. By all rights the kid should sack up and tell the coach to put his non-commitable offer where the sin don't shine. But hope is a killer.

 

[RonJohn]

Like, what does the coach say to the kid?

Do they say "you have an offer from us, but you can't commit right now"?

Do they tell the kid the offer is contingent on a bunch of other guys that the team likes better not committing?

I've often thought that are non committable offer isn't an offer, and we really ought to have a separate category for it, but I just have no idea how it even works, or how a kid doesn't take massive insult at it.

There is nothing official about an offer or a commitment. There have been schools that offered kids, the kid committed and shut down recruiting, then just before signing day the school tells them they no longer have a scholarship. I believe there have even been some kids who don't find out until the paperwork from the school doesn't arrive. There have also been kids who decide on signing day to not honor a commitment and sign with another school. There isn't a real and meaningful definition of "offer", "committable offer" or "commitment". They are pretty easy to figure out, but any kid or any coach can use those words in any way they want to. Whether those words actually mean anything depends on the kid's faith in the coach and the coach's faith in the kid.

 

[YJMD]

I imagine it is like when a pretty girl strings you along. By all rights the kid should sack up and tell the coach to put his non-commitable offer where the sin don't shine. But hope is a killer.

Well the girl will say yes to a date but is always washing her hair when you try to get her to go somewhere.

 

[flea77]

There is nothing official about an offer or a commitment. There have been schools that offered kids, the kid committed and shut down recruiting, then just before signing day the school tells them they no longer have a scholarship. I believe there have even been some kids who don't find out until the paperwork from the school doesn't arrive. There have also been kids who decide on signing day to not honor a commitment and sign with another school. There isn't a real and meaningful definition of "offer", "committable offer" or "commitment". They are pretty easy to figure out, but any kid or any coach can use those words in any way they want to. Whether those words actually mean anything depends on the kid's faith in the coach and the coach's faith in the kid.

Great explanation, problem is many of these kids struggle understanding the meaning of commitment. When you read the "offer list" the player claim to have, many are just a coach telling him they want him, they really don't have a "offer". Unless you get a direct message from the coach saying we are offering you a scholarship, its just them playing the game. Even with a "offer" depending on the character of the program and the type of kids they go after its a crapshoot. With all the social media and kids wanting attention, they tend to claim many more than they actually have. I was asking a position coach (Wills recruiting class) about a player who picked Furman over GT (according the the AJC). The position coach did not even know who he was...

 

[dressedcheeseside]

Great explanation, problem is many of these kids struggle understanding the meaning of commitment. When you read the "offer list" the player claim to have, many are just a coach telling him they want him, they really don't have a "offer". Unless you get a direct message from the coach saying we are offering you a scholarship, its just them playing the game. Even with a "offer" depending on the character of the program and the type of kids they go after its a crapshoot. With all the social media and kids wanting attention, they tend to claim many more than they actually have. I was asking a position coach (Wills recruiting class) about a player who picked Furman over GT (according the the AJC). The position coach did not even know who he was...

Then how in the world do the services know how to rate kids properly? We all know it’s based on offer sheets.

 

[stech81]

Then how in the world do the services know how to rate kids properly? We all know it’s based on offer sheets.

They call Alabama and ask.

 

[SteamWhistle]

I think it’s just something they tell someone before their grades come in.

 

[dressedcheeseside]

I think it’s just something they tell someone before their grades come in.

I think this is pretty accurate. Some guys have to satisfy prereqs just to gain acceptance. With our emphasis on "scholar" athletes, I'd imagine this is less of a concern than in the past.

 

[Jerry the Jacket]

I doubt Georgia Tech uses this sort of recruiting tactic. A non committable offer is most likely one that contains conditions that must be meet prior to rolling it over to a true committable offer. Things like completing a certain academic requirement such as a certain class, achieving a certain GPA or successfully completing graduation; it may be some legal matter that must be resolved to a certain outcome; or even meeting a certain performance parameter during the senior football season. I imagine some factory schools use this technique feeling it gives them some bit of leverage with a prospective recruit.

Go Jackets!

 

[flea77]

GT does not play the game. We were told by Coach Cook that the offer was approved by CPJ. Will gave CPJ his commitment before his JR year. It was a done deal.