GT VT Post Game

[stinger78]

We are a fretful bunch.

 

[forensicbuzz]

I am very bullish about this team regardless of what you all think. You're not going to rain on my parade. 8-4 heading into the bowl season with some good wins!!!

 

[Thwg777]

We are a fretful bunch.

After these last couple of games, I just realized it’s been a while since I’ve complained about COFH being moved to MBS in 2025.

I’ve set up a calendar reminder to ensure I remain focused on complaining on all cylinders.

 

[stinger78]

I said in August we are most likely 6-6/7-5. That is still the case. The FSU game turned into a win. The L’ville game was a pretty sure loss, as were ND, UM, and UGAg. Win 3 of S’cuse, Dook, UNC, VPI, and NCSU and we’d likely have a bowl. We’re 2-2 against those 5 right now. Get everyone back healthy and we’ll beat NCSU. If we don’t we don’t deserve a bowl.

 

[g0lftime]

It looks to me like our offensive game plan this year has been to reduce INTs. We haven't been throwing deep as much this year, and when we have, we're not connecting on it very often. This has led to more teams stacking the box against us, making it much harder to run the ball.

More like the pro game. High percentage throws with playmaker in open space. Supposedly Buster watched a lot of pro film during the off season. We also don't know the extent of HK injury. It could be a rotator problem or tendinitis rather than a collision injury. We just don't know. These guys throw the ball so much in practice and during the off season. It did look like he took a hit on his shoulder during UNC game but he wasn't effective with deep throws before that.

 

[stinger78]

More like the pro game. High percentage throws with playmaker in open space. Supposedly Buster watched a lot of pro film during the off season. We also don't know the extent of HK injury. It could be a rotator problem or tendinitis rather than a collision injury. We just don't know. These guys throw the ball so much in practice and during the off season. It did look like he took a hit on his shoulder during UNC game but he wasn't effective with deep throws before that.

He took a shot on the throwing hand in the S’cuse game (IIRC), which left his hand bleeding. His throwing woes began then.

 

[g0lftime]

He took a shot on the throwing hand in the S’cuse game (IIRC), which left his hand bleeding. His throwing woes began then.

Forgot that one. He also missed a sure TD in the end zone against Duke with a bad overthrow that could have been lingering from the Cuse game. I suspected a hand injury in that Duke game but may have been an earlier game like you said.

 

[stinger78]

Forgot that one. He also missed a sure TD in the end zone against Duke with a bad overthrow that could have been lingering from the Cuse game. I suspected a hand injury in that Duke game but may have been an earlier game like you said.

Yes, I think that affected his grip.

 

[cpf2001]

Conceding and being voted off the island are two different things. We are not in the two media darling conferences which will likely evolve into the P2 super conferences. Money is undefeated

“Not trying” and “failing to demonstrate that anyone (any money) cares” are good ways to make sure you get voted off.

If GT gets relegated that will suck. I won’t really care if the AA goes bankrupt at that point. It would probably happen anyway, it’s not like the balance sheet was gonna absorb the loss of media revenue anyway. I’d rather try to be a player.

 

[takethepoints]

Nor is it a done deal that King won't be back for another year. What does that mean for Pyron/Philo/Knowles?

Forgot that, but I'm guessing that he'll leave. No need to hang around for another injury to take him off the NFL radar. But … I can't say what'll happen in the fall. Everybody forgets about Knowles, but he's a real contender, imho.

 

[forensicbuzz]

Well, according to Kelly, Pyron was about 40% healthy this game (lower body issue) and probably 70% healthy against ND. This makes sense to me based on how slow he seemed versus what I've seen him run in the past. That makes to much sense to me. I'd say that because our defense was so stout and kept us close is the reason Pyron stayed in as long as he did. I think the coaches though Zach at 40% was our best option to win.

 

[stinger78]

Well, according to Kelly, Pyron was about 40% healthy this game (lower body issue) and probably 70% healthy against ND. This makes sense to me based on how slow he seemed versus what I've seen him run in the past. That makes to much sense to me. I'd say that because our defense was so stout and kept us close is the reason Pyron stayed in as long as he did. I think the coaches though Zach at 40% was our best option to win.

Yes, he had a lower body injury and got his off shoulder busted up against ND. Pound on him all you want, but he’s a warrior in my book.

 

[iceeater1969]

Forgot that, but I'm guessing that he'll leave. No need to hang around for another injury to take him off the NFL radar. But … I can't say what'll happen in the fall. Everybody forgets about Knowles, but he's a real contender, imho.

Sarcasm
Gt where qb s come to run the bawwl or get out. Are we the spread option running team that uses a MICRO PASSING ATTACK.
This is all a sneaky way to return to option!

 

[roadkill]

Well, according to Kelly, Pyron was about 40% healthy this game (lower body issue) and probably 70% healthy against ND. This makes sense to me based on how slow he seemed versus what I've seen him run in the past. That makes to much sense to me. I'd say that because our defense was so stout and kept us close is the reason Pyron stayed in as long as he did. I think the coaches though Zach at 40% was our best option to win.

To expand on this…football is a physical game and injuries are part of it. That said, we are more than a little banged up at many key positions. Not making excuses, just a reality check. The team you saw on the field Saturday was comprised mostly of players who are nowhere near 100%, with some at positions they wouldn’t normally play, and others way down the depth chart due to injuries along the 2-deep. Anyone with high expectations after 2014 should remember how injuries can derail a season.

Just finished listening to KQ’s post-game discussion (I’m not a subscriber but he releases it to YouTube for free on Mondays). He chose not to share specific details but we were in worse shape than I realized at the game. As forensic mentioned, Zack was dinged up going into the ND game (not sure why, but perhaps a lingering injury) and we saw him get hammered again there. No surprise his game was “off”. Why he wasn’t pulled earlier is a legit question, but I can believe Key was reluctant to insert a true freshman while the game was still close. Some players on offense also had what sounded like a GI-tract “bug” at the game - KQ attributed some of our receivers’ uncharacteristic drops to this. He also mentioned the ripple effect of having several players in our secondary out and forcing others to move positions.

One could counter and say that our opponents may have injuries as well. True, but our schedule has done us no favors in terms of wear and tear. We are the only ACC team to have already played 9 games. Some teams at the top of the conference standings have only played 7. We’ve played more conference games than everyone else but FSU, and we’ve seen how that is working out for them. Yes, we get an extra bye week this year due to our week zero game, but our byes are not anywhere near optimally spaced. Like Key mentioned in his presser, we need the time off to heal up.

Some have said we win the game with a healthy Haynes King – this is quite possible, but I also think we win the game with a healthy Zack and some other near-healthy starters.

 

[cpf2001]

Using a QB as a fullback when our first string QB also runs the ball a lot really feels like a risky strategy in retrospect, then.

 

[roadkill]

Using a QB as a fullback when our first string QB also runs the ball a lot really feels like a risky strategy in retrospect, then.

Agree. Makes me wonder if Key was willing to roll the dice on Zack getting more injuries because he thought there was a good chance of getting King back for VT.

 

[bobongo]

Just finished listening to KQ’s post-game discussion (I’m not a subscriber but he releases it to YouTube for free on Mondays). He chose not to share specific details but we were in worse shape than I realized at the game. As forensic mentioned, Zack was dinged up going into the ND game (not sure why, but perhaps a lingering injury) and we saw him get hammered again there. No surprise his game was “off”. Why he wasn’t pulled earlier is a legit question, but I can believe Key was reluctant to insert a true freshman while the game was still close. Some players on offense also had what sounded like a GI-tract “bug” at the game - KQ attributed some of our receivers’ uncharacteristic drops to this.

Just to note, but Zach's last pass was a sharp toss right on target and would have gotten a first down - but it was dropped. Just noting that, and I couldn't help but wonder if things would have turned out differently for him and the team had that pass been caught. We can surmise that it wouldn't have turned out any differently, and we might be right, but we don't know that. Just one of the things that happens in a football game that makes one wonder about what might have been.

 

[gte447f]

Can we get these folks some cheese with all this whine?

 

[bke1984]

If all this talk that we played our backup QB at 40% healthy then everyone’s assessment of Pyron’s performance is moot (including my own), and our staff never really gave us much of a chance to win that game. I guess they know who’s ready to play better than anyone, and I’m not sure what “40%” means (what is King at, for instance…).

It’s sounding more and more like we are just really beat up to the point where we can’t field an offense at the moment.

 

[gtchem05]

Just to note, but Zach's last pass was a sharp toss right on target and would have gotten a first down - but it was dropped. Just noting that, and I couldn't help but wonder if things would have turned out differently for him and the team had that pass been caught. We can surmise that it wouldn't have turned out any differently, and we might be right, but we don't know that. Just one of the things that happens in a football game that makes one wonder about what might have been.

Not, it’s a big deal either way, but I’m pretty sure Zach’s last pass was caught by a Virginia Tech defender.