GT VT Post Game

[UgaBlows]

SI article with PFF grades. Boyd, Philo, and Height with highest grades.

Georgia Tech Football: PFF Grades and Snap Counts From Loss to Virginia Tech

Georgia Tech went on the road yesterday to face Virginia Tech and it did not go well, especially on the offensive end. The Yellow Jackets struggled to move the

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Height was on fire, best game i’ve seen him play so-far

 

[UgaBlows]

I think there were timing issues here. Philo's ball got on them way faster than what they were used to.

His accuracy deep is noticeably better than our other qb’s- that deep pass to Singleton in stride was beautiful

 

[gtchem05]

We're not doing well when our QB grades out well. Won Ga St & dook, lost VT, Syracuse & Louisville

I'm not following. Pyron, who played QB the majority of the game, was our lowest graded offensive player at 35.3.

 

[Yaller Jacket]

Height was on fire, best game i’ve seen him play so-far

The defense played sooo well! We have barely had a pass rush all season, but yesterday we consistently hurried their QB into many bad passes. A lot of that was Height.

 

[cpf2001]

At the beginning of the season, we all knew that this team needed King on the field. King is a special player. Last season only one other QB did what King did in the passing and run game...Jayden Daniels. Daniels won the Heisman and was the #2 QB picked in last year's NFL draft.

That "nobody else did it" included 25+ passing TDs.

Our offensive gameplan this year has NOT been designed to get 25+ passing TDs.

Variety of potential reasons we've heard stated or speculated:

• slow down the game (to protect our D?)
• possible injury since week 0
• desire to avoid turnovers

But whatever the cause, we haven't been letting our "only one other QB can pass and run like this" pass the same way as we did last year.

 

[Root4GT]

I think it's because we haven't needed to. The success running the ball has been so good that it isn't worth the risk of putting the ball in the air. It hasn't ALWAYS been successful, but very much has been. Now, I don't know if we were in the redzone in either of the past 2 games, so that may not be the same.

In our 4 losses we have not run the ball well. That has been a big reason we lost all 4 of those games. 112 yards vs Syracuse is the most rushing yards on any of our loses.

 

[cpf2001]

In our 4 losses we have not run the ball well. That has been a big reason we lost all 4 of those games. 112 yards vs Syracuse is the most rushing yards on any of our loses.

67 of those 112 yards on the ground against Syracuse were from King, too. In our losses, basically regardless of which RB was playing, the RB position production has been poor (which is why I don't think it's an RB personnel thing there).

 

[takethepoints]

Obviously Navy got killed yesterday. But they do run both the traditional 3O and out of the shotgun. It is interesting that very few comments were made about our vanilla offense last year when things were going much better than this year. I don't think it is scheme. However being more creative on play calling and obviously not having so many key injuries would help.

Navy got killed because of 6 (count 'em six) turnovers. If you turn the ball over like that and don't get killed, something is wrong with the universe. We'll see how ND does against Army where turnovers just don't happen. It'll all come down to how ND does against the QB power plays with Bryson Daily. I'm guessing that'll be a closer game.

 

[Root4GT]

From my vantage point, injuries have eaten us up this year. King has played injured most of the season, and so has Pyron. We were playing tFR Carrie yesterday… he’s our fifth string RB (Haynes, Cooley, Alexander, and Maddox). We’re down two of our top TE’s (Seither and Goede). Our top WR is hurt (Malik). That’s just too much to overcome, IMPO.

Hopefully, this 2-week respite will allow these guys to heal up so we can finish strong.

Stop being rational, it's buster's fault for not being creative!

 

[jacketbacker45!]

SI article with PFF grades. Boyd, Philo, and Height with highest grades.

Georgia Tech Football: PFF Grades and Snap Counts From Loss to Virginia Tech

Georgia Tech went on the road yesterday to face Virginia Tech and it did not go well, especially on the offensive end. The Yellow Jackets struggled to move the

www.si.com

The passes Philo misfired on were because he was under extreme pressure. I don’t know what y’all saw, but he looked incredibly composed, full of leadership and like a dynamite passer to me. I respect ZP and it appears he needs a fresh start at another school.

 

[stinger78]

That "nobody else did it" included 25+ passing TDs.

Our offensive gameplan this year has NOT been designed to get 25+ passing TDs.

Variety of potential reasons we've heard stated or speculated:

• slow down the game (to protect our D?)
• possible injury since week 0
• desire to avoid turnovers

But whatever the cause, we haven't been letting our "only one other QB can pass and run like this" pass the same way as we did last year.

And… Until the last two weeks, with massive injuries, we were 5-2 as well, as opposed to last season when we were 3-4. It was working right up until players began to drop.

Get well, let’s see how it plays out.

 

[forensicbuzz]

We kicked field goals from the 17 and the 33.

Outside of that, we got to our 32, our 34, our 22, our 26, our 38, our 13, the a pick from our 39, our 42, made it to their 17 (downs), our 39 (downs), their 24 (downs), and their 41 (downs).

So, twice we were in the red zone, and four times we were inside their 40.

The logic on this can get circular, but I don't think our passing game scares our opponents, and they're containing our run game.

Part of it might be familiarity with our playbook (the other DCs know how to play us). Part of it is execution. Part of it is we lean harder than most teams on the run game.

It didn't yesterday. We're just talking in the redzone. We've been successful running. Why pass? No need to.

 

[stinger 1957]

I think there were timing issues here. Philo's ball got on them way faster than what they were used to.

I think you really have something here, receivers just were not used to his balls, the kid is a real passer, receivers and passing game under Philo will be much different if he has good coaching (QB and OC). I think the QB coaching is probably good, I'm reserving judgement on the OC. Hope CBK can figure it out before kid becomes our regular QB which with what I've seen he will do.

 

[iceeater1969]

I think you really have something here, receivers just were not used to his balls, the kid is a real passer, receivers and passing game under Philo will be much different if he has good coaching (QB and OC). I think the QB coaching is probably good, I'm reserving judgement on the OC. Hope CBK can figure it out before kid becomes our regular QB which with what I've seen he will do.

Philo looks to have a 3/4 throw angle that can be defended by rusher with high hand position. Can we be sure he can read the field and shift from primary to secondary recievers knowing they will be open

If the ol can pass pro I say we give king a chance to have wr and TE go on longer routes. I think we will be pleased if we DONT RPO.

 

[Root4GT]

I think you really have something here, receivers just were not used to his balls, the kid is a real passer, receivers and passing game under Philo will be much different if he has good coaching (QB and OC). I think the QB coaching is probably good, I'm reserving judgement on the OC. Hope CBK can figure it out before kid becomes our regular QB which with what I've seen he will do.

Everyone loves the backup QB until they fail. See #5.

 

[slugboy]

It didn't yesterday. We're just talking in the redzone. We've been successful running. Why pass? No need to.

You piqued my curiosity. I’d been looking for pass distribution charts—I see them for the NFL, but not for college.

I still don’t see them often. But I did find this: https://www.footballstudyhall.com/2...pletion-percentages-collin-klein-matt-barkley

The red zone passing area is thirty yards deep—10 yards off end zone plus up to 20 yards that we think of as the end zone. The data is older, but not that old, and it’s got plenty of passing spread offenses in it.

The majority of passes are thrown less than ten yards downfield, including a large fraction behind the line of scrimmage. There a smaller fraction between ten and twenty yards, and an even smaller fraction beyond that. Yeah, the field “shrinks” in the red zone, but it’s the same area that the defense is really defending anyway. It’s not shrinking that much unless you’re inside the 5, and most of your passing playbook is still there for the OC.

Maybe defenses might go for the pick more because their back is against the wall, but aside from being first and goal from the two (where an OL push might be enough to get you in the end zone), is it really worth being more predictable and leaning more on the run in the red zone?

 

[Bogey]

SI article with PFF grades. Boyd, Philo, and Height with highest grades.

Georgia Tech Football: PFF Grades and Snap Counts From Loss to Virginia Tech

Georgia Tech went on the road yesterday to face Virginia Tech and it did not go well, especially on the offensive end. The Yellow Jackets struggled to move the

www.si.com

The passes Philo misfired on were because he was under extreme pressure. I don’t know what y’all saw, but he looked incredibly composed, full of leadership and like a dynamite passer to me. I respect ZP and it appears he needs a fresh start at another school.

Philo has a lot of natural talent, seems comfortable in Buster's offense, and played with a lot of confidence and leadership. Pyron played much better against ND but the pick 6 he threw and the VT interception giving the Hokies a short field where they scored a TD pretty much sealed our fate in both games unfortunately. I also have a ton of respect for Pyron and want him to make the best decision for himself going forward as only he can do, whatever it may be.

 

[stinger78]

Ethan MacKenney makes an appearance. Where’s he been all season? Has he been injured, too.

 

[Bogey]

Ethan MacKenney makes an appearance. Where’s he been all season? Has he been injured, too.

Seems to me like he may have been injured at start of the season and he and the staff mutually agreed to a red shirt this season. But I have no factual information.

 

[Richland County]

Paul Johnson was probably the best coach Georgia Tech has had since Bobby Ross. Point is he did not need these players most of whom are not nearly as good as a lot of people think.

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