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<blockquote data-quote="jojatk" data-source="post: 809617" data-attributes="member: 2627"><p>Actually I like your posts and I'm usually pretty long-winded myself so you being long-winded wouldn't bother me, on the contrary it like it when folks take the time to think about things and express them even if I don't agree. I have never, not even once, complained about your writing or talking style. You're implying an insult where none exists. If you feel both sides are greedy then at least that's consistent.</p><p></p><p>I think at this point we're not going to agree on whether the players are doing something that is valuable for the school. The school clearly monetizes what the players are doing. They didn't monetize my studying. On the other hand, during my time at GT I did help out a PhD student with his research that was being funded by the US Army. I wasn't paid for that work but instead I got 15 hours of "A" grades (I worked on the project for 3 quarters and got 5 hours of credit each quarter) and then I was allowed to use some of the materials for some of my own, independent research that I was then able to present at a student AIAA conference. I wasn't paid money but I did receive something in return for my work.</p><p></p><p>I don't agree that I conflate personal choice with value. I'm talking about the required workouts that players have to do as part of being on the team. They can do extra if they want and that's not what I'm referring to. Again, I'm talking about the things they are required to do to be a member of the team. Not the normal parts of being a student. So I'm not talking about going to class, even though they can be kicked off the team for not doing it. I'm not talking about things they may do outside of the required activities to improve their craft. I'm talking about the things they do to earn that athletic scholarship. They get something of value and they provide value back to the school. We likely disagree about whether the value they provide is greater than the value they receive. And that's OK because there are times when I go back and forth with myself about whether there's an inequality and if so which side is greater and which side is lesser.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="jojatk, post: 809617, member: 2627"] Actually I like your posts and I'm usually pretty long-winded myself so you being long-winded wouldn't bother me, on the contrary it like it when folks take the time to think about things and express them even if I don't agree. I have never, not even once, complained about your writing or talking style. You're implying an insult where none exists. If you feel both sides are greedy then at least that's consistent. I think at this point we're not going to agree on whether the players are doing something that is valuable for the school. The school clearly monetizes what the players are doing. They didn't monetize my studying. On the other hand, during my time at GT I did help out a PhD student with his research that was being funded by the US Army. I wasn't paid for that work but instead I got 15 hours of "A" grades (I worked on the project for 3 quarters and got 5 hours of credit each quarter) and then I was allowed to use some of the materials for some of my own, independent research that I was then able to present at a student AIAA conference. I wasn't paid money but I did receive something in return for my work. I don't agree that I conflate personal choice with value. I'm talking about the required workouts that players have to do as part of being on the team. They can do extra if they want and that's not what I'm referring to. Again, I'm talking about the things they are required to do to be a member of the team. Not the normal parts of being a student. So I'm not talking about going to class, even though they can be kicked off the team for not doing it. I'm not talking about things they may do outside of the required activities to improve their craft. I'm talking about the things they do to earn that athletic scholarship. They get something of value and they provide value back to the school. We likely disagree about whether the value they provide is greater than the value they receive. And that's OK because there are times when I go back and forth with myself about whether there's an inequality and if so which side is greater and which side is lesser. [/QUOTE]
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