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<blockquote data-quote="Technut1990" data-source="post: 809487" data-attributes="member: 3774"><p>first of all if my employee offered these things, especially free healthcare, I’d be paying federal taxes on them at their given values , they are employment perks but I doubt any of these students or you yourself have ever been taxed on the value of your free college degree. Now I’m not saying you should be but comparing employment to free college is apples to orange.</p><p></p><p>Student athletes are at the gym at 4:30 in the morning because they are earning the FREE education they are being given. If you weren’t an athlete getting that free education you wouldn’t be in the gym of your own free will. Why because all you could do as a regular student is bust your *** on the education you are financing in hopes that you will turn that education into a job from which you will have to pay back your student loans.</p><p></p><p>everything about a free education screams free. What’s the actual avg value of a Masters Degree at Tech ? I guess it depends on the subject but I can promise you that it Will cost you even if you fail in your 3rd year. How much does a scholarship athlete owe if he fails out ?</p><p></p><p>as far as effort, every person in college is judged on effort, try not studying or not putting effort into your papers, it’s what non athletes must do because they don’t get drafted and then return 10 years later to finish their degree.</p><p></p><p>nothing you have said addressed my point though. I said both sides are greedy. You can’t dispute that. Colleges want millions to fill their coffers and players want millions for there services, and they get a huge % of it in educational value that is FREE to them. They could drop the scholly and give up sports, if they did they would stop worrying about how much the institution obtains by hosting sports programs and worry about how they would pay for their own education, which they don’t do right now.</p><p></p><p>In my area I followed a player closely, he was a stud, got a scholarship from Tech, played 4 years, got his free degree AND signed 3 separate NFL contracts. He then went on to sign in the CFL. All told he played about 4 professional downs. At the end of his career he had received 2.7 million from these teams, just being on the roster. When he retired he opened his own business based on the knowledge he obtained from his FREE Tech degree. The work he put in made his life and that degree set his business career 5 steps ahead of non athletes. Not simply because he had that degree but because he could invest the 3 million in seed money playing at Tech eventually provided. It’s nice that he is successful but by no means is he in the same boat as a non athlete degree holder coming out of Tech, they would be putting their first million back into interest bearing student loans not a business.</p><p></p><p>this how much do colleges make is just another version of ‘they should pay me because they make a lot of money’.</p><p></p><p>tell you what, you establish a major state college, do all you can to draw endowment money, hire the professors, purchase the materials of learning as well as the brick and mortar buildings and the land to put it on and then we will sit back and see your reaction when the people who, you‘ve given free access demand you not only give them that FREE access but also a share of your profits, we shall see how you feel after you receive the demand.</p><p></p><p>either way I’ll stick to my point, both are greedy. How many simple minded people would jump at just a free Tech degree ? No tuition and a chance to graduate from Tech ? 99 out of 100 non athletes would do it with pride and provide all the effort, without anything more than saying thank you.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Technut1990, post: 809487, member: 3774"] first of all if my employee offered these things, especially free healthcare, I’d be paying federal taxes on them at their given values , they are employment perks but I doubt any of these students or you yourself have ever been taxed on the value of your free college degree. Now I’m not saying you should be but comparing employment to free college is apples to orange. Student athletes are at the gym at 4:30 in the morning because they are earning the FREE education they are being given. If you weren’t an athlete getting that free education you wouldn’t be in the gym of your own free will. Why because all you could do as a regular student is bust your *** on the education you are financing in hopes that you will turn that education into a job from which you will have to pay back your student loans. everything about a free education screams free. What’s the actual avg value of a Masters Degree at Tech ? I guess it depends on the subject but I can promise you that it Will cost you even if you fail in your 3rd year. How much does a scholarship athlete owe if he fails out ? as far as effort, every person in college is judged on effort, try not studying or not putting effort into your papers, it’s what non athletes must do because they don’t get drafted and then return 10 years later to finish their degree. nothing you have said addressed my point though. I said both sides are greedy. You can’t dispute that. Colleges want millions to fill their coffers and players want millions for there services, and they get a huge % of it in educational value that is FREE to them. They could drop the scholly and give up sports, if they did they would stop worrying about how much the institution obtains by hosting sports programs and worry about how they would pay for their own education, which they don’t do right now. In my area I followed a player closely, he was a stud, got a scholarship from Tech, played 4 years, got his free degree AND signed 3 separate NFL contracts. He then went on to sign in the CFL. All told he played about 4 professional downs. At the end of his career he had received 2.7 million from these teams, just being on the roster. When he retired he opened his own business based on the knowledge he obtained from his FREE Tech degree. The work he put in made his life and that degree set his business career 5 steps ahead of non athletes. Not simply because he had that degree but because he could invest the 3 million in seed money playing at Tech eventually provided. It’s nice that he is successful but by no means is he in the same boat as a non athlete degree holder coming out of Tech, they would be putting their first million back into interest bearing student loans not a business. this how much do colleges make is just another version of ‘they should pay me because they make a lot of money’. tell you what, you establish a major state college, do all you can to draw endowment money, hire the professors, purchase the materials of learning as well as the brick and mortar buildings and the land to put it on and then we will sit back and see your reaction when the people who, you‘ve given free access demand you not only give them that FREE access but also a share of your profits, we shall see how you feel after you receive the demand. either way I’ll stick to my point, both are greedy. How many simple minded people would jump at just a free Tech degree ? No tuition and a chance to graduate from Tech ? 99 out of 100 non athletes would do it with pride and provide all the effort, without anything more than saying thank you. [/QUOTE]
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