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GT 2017= what I have been waiting for on offense (Navy 2.0)
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<blockquote data-quote="lv20gt" data-source="post: 324116" data-attributes="member: 2299"><p>There are two things about the NFL at play. </p><p></p><p>The first is that Eckel's special teams achievements have no impact on the discussion of how he would be as a running back in our offense. Why would it? We're talking about him as a running back, not a special teams players. And as a ball carrier he got carries almost exclusively in blow outs when the game wasn't on the line. We're not talking about a guy who was even a primary back up for a couple years. We're talking about a special teams player who got to carry the ball in blow outs when nothing mattered. Sorry, but that isn't a significant enough impact as grounds for making the claims in face of the production differences at this level. Everyone in question has had significant carries in our offense at the position we're talking about. So why is nobody trying to use his actual time in the offense as support Eckel over the other guys?</p><p></p><p>And that argument is complete bunk for guys like Marshall and Mills who aren't eligible for the NFL anyways. </p><p></p><p>The second is a completely illogical argument that somehow because a coach decided that Eckel should be on the team in 2005 and didn't do the same for another player 8 years later that it somehow means that coach holds the opinion that Eckel would be better as a BBack than the other guy. There is absolutely no reason to believe Belichick has an opinion about this matter at all. It was a very poor appeal to authority. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>How about the one given those circumstances actually out performed the other? Because with the same training, for the same coach, playing at the same position, in the actual offense every BBack except for Mills had a higher average ypc, most of them by a significant margin, than Eckel. </p><p></p><p>Hell, look at the other bbacks under Navy compared to Eckel's 5.08 (using the better number for him btw).</p><p></p><p>Eric Kettani - as a starter 5.44 ypc. (5.29 career)</p><p>Adam Ballard - 5.26 career ypc</p><p>Teich - 5.27 career ypc.</p><p>Copeland - 5.61 career ypc.</p><p>Swain - 5.24. </p><p></p><p>I'm starting to see why people want to focus on the NFL side of things with him.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="lv20gt, post: 324116, member: 2299"] There are two things about the NFL at play. The first is that Eckel's special teams achievements have no impact on the discussion of how he would be as a running back in our offense. Why would it? We're talking about him as a running back, not a special teams players. And as a ball carrier he got carries almost exclusively in blow outs when the game wasn't on the line. We're not talking about a guy who was even a primary back up for a couple years. We're talking about a special teams player who got to carry the ball in blow outs when nothing mattered. Sorry, but that isn't a significant enough impact as grounds for making the claims in face of the production differences at this level. Everyone in question has had significant carries in our offense at the position we're talking about. So why is nobody trying to use his actual time in the offense as support Eckel over the other guys? And that argument is complete bunk for guys like Marshall and Mills who aren't eligible for the NFL anyways. The second is a completely illogical argument that somehow because a coach decided that Eckel should be on the team in 2005 and didn't do the same for another player 8 years later that it somehow means that coach holds the opinion that Eckel would be better as a BBack than the other guy. There is absolutely no reason to believe Belichick has an opinion about this matter at all. It was a very poor appeal to authority. How about the one given those circumstances actually out performed the other? Because with the same training, for the same coach, playing at the same position, in the actual offense every BBack except for Mills had a higher average ypc, most of them by a significant margin, than Eckel. Hell, look at the other bbacks under Navy compared to Eckel's 5.08 (using the better number for him btw). Eric Kettani - as a starter 5.44 ypc. (5.29 career) Adam Ballard - 5.26 career ypc Teich - 5.27 career ypc. Copeland - 5.61 career ypc. Swain - 5.24. I'm starting to see why people want to focus on the NFL side of things with him. [/QUOTE]
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