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<blockquote data-quote="senoiajacket" data-source="post: 873365" data-attributes="member: 3132"><p>Let’s stop at your first sentence. It was commonly agreed coming into the season that our success would hinge on development of our pitching (and defense). </p><p>To date, it hasn’t developed as quickly as we had hoped. Personally, I think maybe I have had unreal expectations for Dbo and how quickly he can get improvement. ( As an aside, as a teach fan, I have been spoiled by Coach Rev (former coach Rev, sigh) of the basketball team where we saw transformation of multiple big men right before our eyes as the season progressed. I realize that basketball is very different from baseball …… none the less he somehow set an expectation level in my brain). </p><p></p><p>So, what is a realistic expectation? Just simply looking at the NCAA D1 leaders in ERA (which isn’t a great metric and doesn’t tell the entire story) </p><p></p><p>Cameron Bye. Wichita St. Soph. Last year 12 innings and a 4.79 era. This year 34 innings and a 0.24. Throw him out b/c 0.24 is ridiculous and obviously a fluke, lol. </p><p></p><p>Caleb Riedel Omaha. 3rd year soph. Last year 22 innings 2.14. This year 0.83 in 32+ innings. He was good and got better? </p><p></p><p>Tommy Steier. Creihhton. RS junior. Last year broken hand returned in May. 15 inning 4.02. No notably great prior seasons </p><p>This year 31 innings and a 0.87 ERA</p><p></p><p>Thatcher Herd UCLA FRESHMAN. 9th ranked RH pitcher. Says he is a converted catcher for goodness sake. Wonder how long he’s been pitching? 34 innings, 1.06 ERA</p><p></p><p>WILLIAM PRivette. College of Charleston. True soph. Last year 45 innings w/ 3.60. This year 34 innings with a 1.06. Good and got better.</p><p></p><p>Drew Beam Tennessee TRUE FRESHMMAN. 239 player overall, #9 out of TN. 47 innings 1.14 ERA</p><p></p><p>I’ll stop here b/c my lunch hour is over and the 6 guys above are a good mix of major and mid major teams. Interestingly enough they are all listed as sophomores or younger. But they do seem to be proof that there are guys that are developing in a positive direction and freshman who are making an instant-top-of-the-staff impact. A better analysis for purposes of this discussion would be one that looked at overall staff improvement for different teams year over year, but who has time for that?</p><p></p><p>Arguably the two guys who have improved the most for us are grissom (5.59 last year 4.06 this year in about as many innings this year as all of last year) and Huff (9.99 to 4.50 and already 42 innings this year vs 24 last). I think an argument can also be made for Sam Crawford improvement over multiple years. So those are “proof” that we are developing guys. OTOH as pointed out Siegel, Mannelly, Brown and Bartnicki have all “underperformed” this year in my opinion, at least in terms of consistency expected of pitchers that have been in the program for a while. </p><p></p><p>So, bottom line, what’s an old and impatient GT fan to make of this? We are at 5.85 era this year vs 5.71 last year (Hurter and Archer) and 4.71 in 2019 (no comparison when we had Thomas, curry, and hurter for part of the year). Can make the arguement we are about the same as last year while replacing our top two guys with freshmen, so I guess that could be encouraging. It will be telling if we can (continue?) to improve our pitching through the end of the year. The schedule (at least ACC) looks less daunting offensively, so that is what I am going to hang my hat on and hope for. </p><p></p><p>One other thing. There is one guy on here (that I know of) that has more personally riding on Dbo (and likely has more insight into the situation) than anyone else, and he seems to be all in on Dbo, so by virtue of that it gives me some level of confidence as well. </p><p></p><p>Rebuttals?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="senoiajacket, post: 873365, member: 3132"] Let’s stop at your first sentence. It was commonly agreed coming into the season that our success would hinge on development of our pitching (and defense). To date, it hasn’t developed as quickly as we had hoped. Personally, I think maybe I have had unreal expectations for Dbo and how quickly he can get improvement. ( As an aside, as a teach fan, I have been spoiled by Coach Rev (former coach Rev, sigh) of the basketball team where we saw transformation of multiple big men right before our eyes as the season progressed. I realize that basketball is very different from baseball …… none the less he somehow set an expectation level in my brain). So, what is a realistic expectation? Just simply looking at the NCAA D1 leaders in ERA (which isn’t a great metric and doesn’t tell the entire story) Cameron Bye. Wichita St. Soph. Last year 12 innings and a 4.79 era. This year 34 innings and a 0.24. Throw him out b/c 0.24 is ridiculous and obviously a fluke, lol. Caleb Riedel Omaha. 3rd year soph. Last year 22 innings 2.14. This year 0.83 in 32+ innings. He was good and got better? Tommy Steier. Creihhton. RS junior. Last year broken hand returned in May. 15 inning 4.02. No notably great prior seasons This year 31 innings and a 0.87 ERA Thatcher Herd UCLA FRESHMAN. 9th ranked RH pitcher. Says he is a converted catcher for goodness sake. Wonder how long he’s been pitching? 34 innings, 1.06 ERA WILLIAM PRivette. College of Charleston. True soph. Last year 45 innings w/ 3.60. This year 34 innings with a 1.06. Good and got better. Drew Beam Tennessee TRUE FRESHMMAN. 239 player overall, #9 out of TN. 47 innings 1.14 ERA I’ll stop here b/c my lunch hour is over and the 6 guys above are a good mix of major and mid major teams. Interestingly enough they are all listed as sophomores or younger. But they do seem to be proof that there are guys that are developing in a positive direction and freshman who are making an instant-top-of-the-staff impact. A better analysis for purposes of this discussion would be one that looked at overall staff improvement for different teams year over year, but who has time for that? Arguably the two guys who have improved the most for us are grissom (5.59 last year 4.06 this year in about as many innings this year as all of last year) and Huff (9.99 to 4.50 and already 42 innings this year vs 24 last). I think an argument can also be made for Sam Crawford improvement over multiple years. So those are “proof” that we are developing guys. OTOH as pointed out Siegel, Mannelly, Brown and Bartnicki have all “underperformed” this year in my opinion, at least in terms of consistency expected of pitchers that have been in the program for a while. So, bottom line, what’s an old and impatient GT fan to make of this? We are at 5.85 era this year vs 5.71 last year (Hurter and Archer) and 4.71 in 2019 (no comparison when we had Thomas, curry, and hurter for part of the year). Can make the arguement we are about the same as last year while replacing our top two guys with freshmen, so I guess that could be encouraging. It will be telling if we can (continue?) to improve our pitching through the end of the year. The schedule (at least ACC) looks less daunting offensively, so that is what I am going to hang my hat on and hope for. One other thing. There is one guy on here (that I know of) that has more personally riding on Dbo (and likely has more insight into the situation) than anyone else, and he seems to be all in on Dbo, so by virtue of that it gives me some level of confidence as well. Rebuttals? [/QUOTE]
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