Expansion Talk 2021

[TooTall]

Yes, my thought exactly..bring Army and Navy into the ACC. Biggest brands in all college football. More eyes watch them play their seasons than anybody.

And look at the nightmare it would bring to every DC in the ACC.

One game wont move the needle for an entire conference. Army & Navy each have minimalist stadiums and any shine for the interesting road trips for fans would soon wear off. Thumbs up for them as a patriot, but thumbs down on them joining the ACC.

Interesting.

If you google most watched regular season college football games over the last 25 years, a game between Auburn and Alabama shows up as number 8. Notre Dame vs FSU was number 1.

Of the rivalries, it appears Ohio State vs Michigan is the most consistent in attracting eye balls. But many, many historic rivalries don’t show up as attracting a wide national audience.

My point was simple. The fact that WV has a historic rivalry with Pittsburg is not going to attract the national eyes the same way as having an Oklahoma or Texas or Penn State or Notre Dame in your conference. And certain matchups will be TV gold even if the teams are not historic rivalries.

So I'm officially confused now. First you were arguing for WVU and now it seems that with your own data you don't want WVU. What ACC team vs WVU would get more eyes than any random saturday match up? If the answer is none, then you have your answer. Then you were decrying the loss of historic rivalries among young fans, not nation wide. AU vs UA game time, the state of Alabama is a ghost state.

I've been consistent (see first post of the entire thread) in my desire for ND & PSU. I threw out Liberty as an out of the box team (most didn't read the reasons: # of alumni, recent success, expandable stadium, used to online for classes = easy to stream etc). For the ACC to not just survive but THRIVE, we need PSU & ND. If we can get ND to ink, getting PSU will be easier. Will it happen? Who knows, but who would've guessed 8 weeks ago that OU and UT would head to the SEC?

 

[Coloradojacket]

Just curious, why does everyone think we need all this money. what are we trying to accomplish. who is the number 1 revenue team Texas, and they are a 7-5 team that cant beat TCU. Texas A&M is number 2, then Ohio State, Then Michigan. Kentucky is 15...Clemson 22. Well we need money to pay coaches etc. Folks, there is only one Saban out there. Right now I think coaching is dropped off. Does Tech need to get a few more dollars, sure but adding some team to the ACC is not going to get it because the only team left to be added is ND. And if you think moving to the B1G is the answer...get ready for an empty BDS for many games. I say as I have...add Auburn back to the schedule. And frankly require every ACC team to schedule and SEC team. That will fill BDS and attract viewers. Oh and by the way WVU is 40 and we are 50.

 

[Northeast Stinger]

One game wont move the needle for an entire conference. Army & Navy each have minimalist stadiums and any shine for the interesting road trips for fans would soon wear off. Thumbs up for them as a patriot, but thumbs down on them joining the ACC.


So I'm officially confused now. First you were arguing for WVU and now it seems that with your own data you don't want WVU. What ACC team vs WVU would get more eyes than any random saturday match up? If the answer is none, then you have your answer. Then you were decrying the loss of historic rivalries among young fans, not nation wide. AU vs UA game time, the state of Alabama is a ghost state.

I've been consistent (see first post of the entire thread) in my desire for ND & PSU. I threw out Liberty as an out of the box team (most didn't read the reasons: # of alumni, recent success, expandable stadium, used to online for classes = easy to stream etc). For the ACC to not just survive but THRIVE, we need PSU & ND. If we can get ND to ink, getting PSU will be easier. Will it happen? Who knows, but who would've guessed 8 weeks ago that OU and UT would head to the SEC?

Umm, I think I have been consistent on my preferences. I am not interested in WV. Never have been. Some were arguing that they should join the ACC because they have historic rivalries with a few teams. I was responding to that argument with the idea that brand name is more important now and that many rivalries no longer attract the national attention they once did -hence rivalries do not in and of themselves bring in more money to a conference.

I want some wheeler dealer to figure out how to get Notre Dame and Penn State in the conference. I’ve wanted that for several years. Both teams attract a national audience every time they play and Penn State is the 3rd most watched team in the nation.

 

[Northeast Stinger]

Maybe, but I am someone who watches 4-5 games a week now and I doubt I would ever subscribe to any service that doesn't offer Tech sports. I don't think I would even pay for bowl games or the CFP. If their goal is to dwindle the interest in the sport overall then this seems like the way to go. Now if they somehow bundled all conferences together and offered a CFB streaming package for some kind of reasonable price then that might be a compelling product.

I think you are right. Football needs to attract younger fans. Making access harder does not do that.

Pay for view took a sport like boxing and turned it into where only the gamblers, former gym rats, martial artists and hard core fans watched. I watched boxing a lot as a kid when it was widely available to watch but no more.

Numbers are dropping for college football already. There are many reasons for this but the largest generation in history is not watching like their parents and grandparents did. Saban has complained bitterly on multiple occasions that the stadium isn’t full and many students are staying away.

 

[RonJohn]

Just curious, why does everyone think we need all this money. what are we trying to accomplish. who is the number 1 revenue team Texas, and they are a 7-5 team that cant beat TCU. Texas A&M is number 2, then Ohio State, Then Michigan. Kentucky is 15...Clemson 22. Well we need money to pay coaches etc. Folks, there is only one Saban out there. Right now I think coaching is dropped off. Does Tech need to get a few more dollars, sure but adding some team to the ACC is not going to get it because the only team left to be added is ND. And if you think moving to the B1G is the answer...get ready for an empty BDS for many games. I say as I have...add Auburn back to the schedule. And frankly require every ACC team to schedule and SEC team. That will fill BDS and attract viewers. Oh and by the way WVU is 40 and we are 50.

There are definite advantages to money. A few years ago, Clemson brought more support staff to the GT game as part of their travel group than GT had on the entire football staff. Not staff on the field, Clemson had more staff travelling than GT had entire staff on the field, in offices, etc. Other programs have more money to hire additional recruiting staff. I remember reading the CPJ and his staff personally reviewed recruiting videos to pick out prospects. Other programs have more money to hire more people to do film study and make preparations for upcoming opponents. I don't believe Nick Saban actually reviews upcoming opponents play-by-play. He likely goes into his office on Sunday morning and gets a download from a group of people who have already done the analysis and have the information he needs from the analysis available to him. I seem to recall a description from CPJ on Sundays during the season in which the coaches would do film review of GT's game on Saturday, then do film review of the upcoming opponent, and then meet later Sunday evening to start game planning for the upcoming week's opponent. At Alabama, I believe they have people work thru the night to get the previous Alabama game's film study completed and documented between Saturday night and Sunday morning. At Alabama, they have people doing upcoming opponents film study several weeks in advance and finalizing that study with the opponents Saturday game overnight before the coaches are back in the office.

Do you want the football coaches planning for upcoming games, or reviewing recruiting videos? Do you want the coaches spending all day Sunday doing detailed film review and documentation, or do you want the coaching staff to begin Sunday morning will all the information they need to start game planning? A college program can have only 30 staff members and field a football team. A college program can utilize their coaches to do recruiting film review during the season and find recruits. A college program cannot be competitive doing that if other programs are utilizing other resources for mundane activities and allowing their coaches to spend more time on more important activities.

 

[Coloradojacket]

I think you are right. Football needs to attract younger fans. Making access harder does not do that.

Pay for view took a sport like boxing and turned it into where only the gamblers, former gym rats, martial artists and hard core fans watched. I watched boxing a lot as a kid when it was widely available to watch but no more.

Numbers are dropping for college football already. There are many reasons for this but the largest generation in history is not watching like their parents and grandparents did. Saban has complained bitterly on multiple occasions that the stadium isn’t full and many students are staying away.

So think about this for a second. 25 years ago we did not have 50 networks with wall to wall college football. You sometimes had to listen on the radio. Second, only 20% of the population goes to college and a smaller subset attends schools with a football team. Saturday is no longer sacred. Highschool football is played on Saturdays in many places due to lack of facilities. Also families do other things on Saturday, like kids soccer and lacrosse.

For us growing up in the South we have a different vision of what the rest of the country does. I would venture a guess that College Football viewing is upwards of 60% in the South. Also we drew our love of the game from our parents and grandparents who took us as kids to the game. Back when it was affordable. I pay close to $3,000 for my 4 tickets now and have brought my kids as often as possible. Moving back to Georgia will improve that but how many families are like me.

If people are wanting to kill sports...we are doing a good job of it...but maybe that is in the plan. I wrote just such a thing 11 years ago.

 

[yeti92]

From what I've read, it is extremely unlikely any team leaves the Big 10, even to the SEC, as the research money the Big10 schools get blows sports money out of the water and the research money is heavily linked to the conference and sharing databases and collaboartive research. I don't know how the ACC compares in that regard, the source was specifically comparing to and ****ting on the SEC schools. anybody have any information like that for the ACC?

 

[Northeast Stinger]

There are definite advantages to money. A few years ago, Clemson brought more support staff to the GT game as part of their travel group than GT had on the entire football staff. Not staff on the field, Clemson had more staff travelling than GT had entire staff on the field, in offices, etc. Other programs have more money to hire additional recruiting staff. I remember reading the CPJ and his staff personally reviewed recruiting videos to pick out prospects. Other programs have more money to hire more people to do film study and make preparations for upcoming opponents. I don't believe Nick Saban actually reviews upcoming opponents play-by-play. He likely goes into his office on Sunday morning and gets a download from a group of people who have already done the analysis and have the information he needs from the analysis available to him. I seem to recall a description from CPJ on Sundays during the season in which the coaches would do film review of GT's game on Saturday, then do film review of the upcoming opponent, and then meet later Sunday evening to start game planning for the upcoming week's opponent. At Alabama, I believe they have people work thru the night to get the previous Alabama game's film study completed and documented between Saturday night and Sunday morning. At Alabama, they have people doing upcoming opponents film study several weeks in advance and finalizing that study with the opponents Saturday game overnight before the coaches are back in the office.

Do you want the football coaches planning for upcoming games, or reviewing recruiting videos? Do you want the coaches spending all day Sunday doing detailed film review and documentation, or do you want the coaching staff to begin Sunday morning will all the information they need to start game planning? A college program can have only 30 staff members and field a football team. A college program can utilize their coaches to do recruiting film review during the season and find recruits. A college program cannot be competitive doing that if other programs are utilizing other resources for mundane activities and allowing their coaches to spend more time on more important activities.

Thank you for this. Several years ago I wrote an article for FTRS in which I talked about the size other football staffs compared to Tech. At that time, counting grad assistants and college department staff, Alabama could access a film review department of 25 people. They did not even have to use many of their coaches to get a product finished for game preparation.

 

[Coloradojacket]

There are definite advantages to money. A few years ago, Clemson brought more support staff to the GT game as part of their travel group than GT had on the entire football staff. Not staff on the field, Clemson had more staff travelling than GT had entire staff on the field, in offices, etc. Other programs have more money to hire additional recruiting staff. I remember reading the CPJ and his staff personally reviewed recruiting videos to pick out prospects. Other programs have more money to hire more people to do film study and make preparations for upcoming opponents. I don't believe Nick Saban actually reviews upcoming opponents play-by-play. He likely goes into his office on Sunday morning and gets a download from a group of people who have already done the analysis and have the information he needs from the analysis available to him. I seem to recall a description from CPJ on Sundays during the season in which the coaches would do film review of GT's game on Saturday, then do film review of the upcoming opponent, and then meet later Sunday evening to start game planning for the upcoming week's opponent. At Alabama, I believe they have people work thru the night to get the previous Alabama game's film study completed and documented between Saturday night and Sunday morning. At Alabama, they have people doing upcoming opponents film study several weeks in advance and finalizing that study with the opponents Saturday game overnight before the coaches are back in the office.

Do you want the football coaches planning for upcoming games, or reviewing recruiting videos? Do you want the coaches spending all day Sunday doing detailed film review and documentation, or do you want the coaching staff to begin Sunday morning will all the information they need to start game planning? A college program can have only 30 staff members and field a football team. A college program can utilize their coaches to do recruiting film review during the season and find recruits. A college program cannot be competitive doing that if other programs are utilizing other resources for mundane activities and allowing their coaches to spend more time on more important activities.

I think constant comparison to Alabama is fraught. Bear Bryant had a large staff as well. Saban is just the best..right now. I want coaches preparing for the next game. Maybe that is part of our problem. Focus on winning instead of recruiting. And yes coaching is more important than spending all day long on recruiting, because at Tech, we start at a disadvantage in recruiting anyway.

 

[bobongo]

Just curious, why does everyone think we need all this money. what are we trying to accomplish. who is the number 1 revenue team Texas, and they are a 7-5 team that cant beat TCU. Texas A&M is number 2, then Ohio State, Then Michigan. Kentucky is 15...Clemson 22. Well we need money to pay coaches etc. Folks, there is only one Saban out there. Right now I think coaching is dropped off. Does Tech need to get a few more dollars, sure but adding some team to the ACC is not going to get it because the only team left to be added is ND. And if you think moving to the B1G is the answer...get ready for an empty BDS for many games. I say as I have...add Auburn back to the schedule. And frankly require every ACC team to schedule and SEC team. That will fill BDS and attract viewers. Oh and by the way WVU is 40 and we are 50.

Too much emphasis on the amount of money brought in, and not enough of how wisely it's spent.
Imagine if we'd taken all the money spent on adding empty seats to BDS and instead spent it on, say, recruiting staff or coaches' salaries.
Maybe we could have then been able to actually add the seats and fill them.
Cart before the horse.

 

[bobongo]

I think you are right. Football needs to attract younger fans. Making access harder does not do that.

Pay for view took a sport like boxing and turned it into where only the gamblers, former gym rats, martial artists and hard core fans watched. I watched boxing a lot as a kid when it was widely available to watch but no more.

Numbers are dropping for college football already. There are many reasons for this but the largest generation in history is not watching like their parents and grandparents did. Saban has complained bitterly on multiple occasions that the stadium isn’t full and many students are staying away.

More and more and more money until the bubble bursts and they price themselves out of the market. That seems to be the current business model.

 

[RonJohn]

I think constant comparison to Alabama is fraught. Bear Bryant had a large staff as well. Saban is just the best..right now. I want coaches preparing for the next game. Maybe that is part of our problem. Focus on winning instead of recruiting. And yes coaching is more important than spending all day long on recruiting, because at Tech, we start at a disadvantage in recruiting anyway.

I used Alabama as an example, but even the other ACC schools (including but not exclusive to Clemson) have a big advantage over us in staff size. Also, it isn't just about recruiting. I stated in the previous post that I recall CPJ discussing his and the other coaches Sundays. If my recollection is correct, the coaches themselves completed the film study. Other programs have specialists who complete the film study. They have the film split up, categorized, and tagged. They have a report about the film study. Their coaches arrive Sunday morning and are ready to review the study and then start planning. Other coaches don't spend hours on Sunday analyzing the film of their team on Saturday. Other coaches don't spend hours on Sunday reviewing film of the next opponent. They arrive Sunday morning and all of that analysis is complete. If they want to watch a play that resulted in a sack, they just make a selection on the computer and that play is available. If they want to see every single play in which the right guard missed a block, they just make a selection on the computer and can play them. Back then, every ACC team that GT played had a 6, 8, or 10 hour lead on GT's game planning.

I don't know how much better it is now, but I believe GT is still very close to the bottom in the ACC in football spending. It won't stop GT from being able to field a football team, but lack of resources compared to other programs will definitely affect GT's ability to be competitive.

Something else I would like to point out with regard to the money issues. From what I have read, CPJ and his staff did a lot of the week-to-week and opponent film study themselves. They did a lot of the recruiting film study themselves. They were doing probably 1.5 to 2 times the work that other staffs were doing, and were still competitive in the ACC. Imagine what they could have done with the advantages that other football programs started having during that time. GT should give advantages to the current staff and try to help them be successful, not fall further behind what other programs are doing.

 

[Northeast Stinger]

I used Alabama as an example, but even the other ACC schools (including but not exclusive to Clemson) have a big advantage over us in staff size. Also, it isn't just about recruiting. I stated in the previous post that I recall CPJ discussing his and the other coaches Sundays. If my recollection is correct, the coaches themselves completed the film study. Other programs have specialists who complete the film study. They have the film split up, categorized, and tagged. They have a report about the film study. Their coaches arrive Sunday morning and are ready to review the study and then start planning. Other coaches don't spend hours on Sunday analyzing the film of their team on Saturday. Other coaches don't spend hours on Sunday reviewing film of the next opponent. They arrive Sunday morning and all of that analysis is complete. If they want to watch a play that resulted in a sack, they just make a selection on the computer and that play is available. If they want to see every single play in which the right guard missed a block, they just make a selection on the computer and can play them. Back then, every ACC team that GT played had a 6, 8, or 10 hour lead on GT's game planning.

I don't know how much better it is now, but I believe GT is still very close to the bottom in the ACC in football spending. It won't stop GT from being able to field a football team, but lack of resources compared to other programs will definitely affect GT's ability to be competitive.

Something else I would like to point out with regard to the money issues. From what I have read, CPJ and his staff did a lot of the week-to-week and opponent film study themselves. They did a lot of the recruiting film study themselves. They were doing probably 1.5 to 2 times the work that other staffs were doing, and were still competitive in the ACC. Imagine what they could have done with the advantages that other football programs started having during that time. GT should give advantages to the current staff and try to help them be successful, not fall further behind what other programs are doing.

Again, you have nailed it. CPJ, and virtually every coach of the last few years, has had to work twice as hard as our opponents due to staff and resource deficits. Money could help this a lot with the right plan.

 

[LongforDodd]

Funny how we used to make fun of the attendance at Miami. West Virginia averages around 900 more in the stands and does not even come close to having the same brand recognition. I say this not because I hate WV. I just don’t understand the hard selling job and the idea we have to rush out and add them.

I would rather figure out how to add Penn State, number 3 in the nation in terms of fan support.

This must be ticket sales as opposed to thru-the-turnstile numbers for GT.

 

[Coloradojacket]

Again, you have nailed it. CPJ, and virtually every coach of the last few years, has had to work twice as hard as our opponents due to staff and resource deficits. Money could help this a lot with the right plan.

I think there is something to this when it comes to getting out and recruiting. Early signing changed a lot in the recruiting world. I will tell you though, CPJ told me he did not spend a lot of time breaking down film of opponents on defense. Since most teams we played pretty much tried the same thing against him every year and anybody new we played had never faced his offense. He said he might look at some to watch an individual player.

Also Saban is a bit more involved than you think but you are correct in that he has all these consultants that work for him.

As the Bear said, "Football is only 10% of my job. My job is dealing with people, my coaches, players, alumni, administrators."

 

[Technut1990]

I got hung up on WV and debating THIER a value when my larger point was and still is the value of THE ACC. I personally don’t care who comes to the conference as long as they bring a lot of fans. Fans are the key to it all. We can argue about TV money forever but TV responds to value of the conference. The SEC is bringing in these huge TV contracts because of THIER fans demand for their teams. The SEC has exploited that demand by pointing out/using fan demand and thus creating its conference value and ESPN has rewarded their value in sports TV By handing out big money because they know fans will pay to see those teams. The SEC targets value in its common form and they can now because the value has created prestige, a want to come From other schools.

The ACC cannot sit by and watch as the other conferences increase their fan appeal and value. Some of you look at it backwards. You say the established value brings more to the table essentially arguing that these value teams will leave their conferences to join ours and we should wait for that before we do anything. Short of that you seem to argue that doing nothing creates more value. I don’t feel that’s realistic at all. The entire capitalist creed is creating value where there is none to little. It’s how Mars candy got rich, Ford Motor Company, hell The NCAA. None of them stood pat and waited on value to come to them, they all improved (an action ) their product to create value.

Sure I’d welcome Penn State, ND or even God forbid Georgia to The ACC because yes it’s instant value, no work involved, it would be baked in. But it ain’t gonna happen so The ACC has to create the value it needs for all member schools to eventually get into the big TV money. You have to drive up interest and you do that by bringing in young blood, new faces. That’s where the value I talk about lies. I ain’t stupid I can see the value of Penn State and other big established schools but I’m realistic when i ask why would they come ? None you can answer that hugely important question. ND and the SEC control college football they ain’t gonna allow themselves to be edged out via rules or playoff formats. The Big 10 is simply an accomplice.

Fresh and new ideas usually bring money, the safe route keeps the money You have until your product is actually devalued in your market. Everytime the SEC or any other conference upgrades The ACC product is devalued/less appealing/older/less exciting. Innovation makes new and or refreshed products. While lucrative Penn St nor ND are fresh and new. Like I said sure they would be nice additions but we better get to working on fresh and new because the still unanswered question is who are the established “bring something to the table“ schools that y’all see coming ? None of you have or can reasonably answer that question and unless y’all know something big is coming you better be in the remolding mindset, cause The ACC needs new paint and a roof before you can sell it. We ain’t getting big by in until we have created our own value, it dosent work the other way around. Unless of course Penn State, Ohio State or some big schools see an undeveloped cheap ACC that they can enter and control and suck the blood out of.

 

[Technut1990]

Sure would be nice if forward thinking took hold in the ACC. This cost the big boys gate revenue but it helps bring up the bottom of the conference. Plus the TV value of the conference itself more than makes up for the top teams gate losses.

How the Big Ten's Unique Football Gate Revenue Sharing Works

When it comes to football gate revenues, the Big Ten Conference takes from the rich to give to the poor.

www.athleticbusiness.com

 

[TooTall]

I got hung up on WV and debating THIER a value when my larger point was and still is the value of THE ACC. I personally don’t care who comes to the conference as long as they bring a lot of fans. Fans are the key to it all. We can argue about TV money forever but TV responds to value of the conference. The SEC is bringing in these huge TV contracts because of THIER fans demand for their teams. The SEC has exploited that demand by pointing out/using fan demand and thus creating its conference value and ESPN has rewarded their value in sports TV By handing out big money because they know fans will pay to see those teams. The SEC targets value in its common form and they can now because the value has created prestige, a want to come From other schools.

The ACC cannot sit by and watch as the other conferences increase their fan appeal and value. Some of you look at it backwards. You say the established value brings more to the table essentially arguing that these value teams will leave their conferences to join ours and we should wait for that before we do anything. Short of that you seem to argue that doing nothing creates more value. I don’t feel that’s realistic at all. The entire capitalist creed is creating value where there is none to little. It’s how Mars candy got rich, Ford Motor Company, hell The NCAA. None of them stood pat and waited on value to come to them, they all improved (an action ) their product to create value.

Sure I’d welcome Penn State, ND or even God forbid Georgia to The ACC because yes it’s instant value, no work involved, it would be baked in. But it ain’t gonna happen so The ACC has to create the value it needs for all member schools to eventually get into the big TV money. You have to drive up interest and you do that by bringing in young blood, new faces. That’s where the value I talk about lies. I ain’t stupid I can see the value of Penn State and other big established schools but I’m realistic when i ask why would they come ? None you can answer that hugely important question. ND and the SEC control college football they ain’t gonna allow themselves to be edged out via rules or playoff formats. The Big 10 is simply an accomplice.

Fresh and new ideas usually bring money, the safe route keeps the money You have until your product is actually devalued in your market. Everytime the SEC or any other conference upgrades The ACC product is devalued/less appealing/older/less exciting. Innovation makes new and or refreshed products. While lucrative Penn St nor ND are fresh and new. Like I said sure they would be nice additions but we better get to working on fresh and new because the still unanswered question is who are the established “bring something to the table“ schools that y’all see coming ? None of you have or can reasonably answer that question and unless y’all know something big is coming you better be in the remolding mindset, cause The ACC needs new paint and a roof before you can sell it. We ain’t getting big by in until we have created our own value, it dosent work the other way around. Unless of course Penn State, Ohio State or some big schools see an undeveloped cheap ACC that they can enter and control and suck the blood out of.

Our new commish has stated his first job is to do exactly this. My prayer is I hope it's not too late.

 

[Northeast Stinger]

I got hung up on WV and debating THIER a value when my larger point was and still is the value of THE ACC. I personally don’t care who comes to the conference as long as they bring a lot of fans. Fans are the key to it all. We can argue about TV money forever but TV responds to value of the conference. The SEC is bringing in these huge TV contracts because of THIER fans demand for their teams. The SEC has exploited that demand by pointing out/using fan demand and thus creating its conference value and ESPN has rewarded their value in sports TV By handing out big money because they know fans will pay to see those teams. The SEC targets value in its common form and they can now because the value has created prestige, a want to come From other schools.

The ACC cannot sit by and watch as the other conferences increase their fan appeal and value. Some of you look at it backwards. You say the established value brings more to the table essentially arguing that these value teams will leave their conferences to join ours and we should wait for that before we do anything. Short of that you seem to argue that doing nothing creates more value. I don’t feel that’s realistic at all. The entire capitalist creed is creating value where there is none to little. It’s how Mars candy got rich, Ford Motor Company, hell The NCAA. None of them stood pat and waited on value to come to them, they all improved (an action ) their product to create value.

Sure I’d welcome Penn State, ND or even God forbid Georgia to The ACC because yes it’s instant value, no work involved, it would be baked in. But it ain’t gonna happen so The ACC has to create the value it needs for all member schools to eventually get into the big TV money. You have to drive up interest and you do that by bringing in young blood, new faces. That’s where the value I talk about lies. I ain’t stupid I can see the value of Penn State and other big established schools but I’m realistic when i ask why would they come ? None you can answer that hugely important question. ND and the SEC control college football they ain’t gonna allow themselves to be edged out via rules or playoff formats. The Big 10 is simply an accomplice.

Fresh and new ideas usually bring money, the safe route keeps the money You have until your product is actually devalued in your market. Everytime the SEC or any other conference upgrades The ACC product is devalued/less appealing/older/less exciting. Innovation makes new and or refreshed products. While lucrative Penn St nor ND are fresh and new. Like I said sure they would be nice additions but we better get to working on fresh and new because the still unanswered question is who are the established “bring something to the table“ schools that y’all see coming ? None of you have or can reasonably answer that question and unless y’all know something big is coming you better be in the remolding mindset, cause The ACC needs new paint and a roof before you can sell it. We ain’t getting big by in until we have created our own value, it dosent work the other way around. Unless of course Penn State, Ohio State or some big schools see an undeveloped cheap ACC that they can enter and control and suck the blood out of.

I can’t speak for others but it is not like “doing nothing” is the preferred choice. The hope is that there is some kind of restructuring deal behind the scenes. Biding time, though not ideal, might be the only option left if we can’t upgrade the conference image with some splashy additions at this time. Several have explained why adding WV adds zero value to the conference and might even be detrimental if it means other teams now get a smaller piece of the pie. Also, several of us have shared that the fact that WV hasn’t landed in a major conference after years of trying may tell you something about the market factors at work.

 

[Northeast Stinger]

Sure would be nice if forward thinking took hold in the ACC. This cost the big boys gate revenue but it helps bring up the bottom of the conference. Plus the TV value of the conference itself more than makes up for the top teams gate losses.

How the Big Ten's Unique Football Gate Revenue Sharing Works

When it comes to football gate revenues, the Big Ten Conference takes from the rich to give to the poor.

www.athleticbusiness.com

Interesting that Penn State loses over $4 million in gate receipts by being part of the B1G. I think we could make them a better deal.