ESPN on Grad Transfer fallout

[AE 87]

You quoted me originally. And I did not say anything such as what you quoted. I said make them sit "an additional" year. Meaning if they graduate and transfer they sit, if they transfer, graduate and transfer, they sit.

I interpreted your post in the context of Red's ... because this is a threaded conversation. I quoted him. You're still ignoring that your solution applies to practically no one.

You're living in a fantasy world where the grad transfer rule is being exploited by all these ballers getting their ug degree in 3 yrs. Smh.

 

[Peacone36]

Simply said if you're going to actually do a masters program you sit the first year as they normally require 2. If you're still in school the second year you play. If not, **** off.

 

[AE 87]

Simply said if you're going to actually do a masters program you sit the first year as they normally require 2. If you're still in school the second year you play. If not, **** off.

Yeah. Your opinion was clear the first time, and the third time adds nothing.

For future ref, typing, "nah nah nah, I'm not listening" is easier if you're not going to respond to another's post.

 

[Peacone36]

Yeah. Your opinion was clear the first time, and the third time adds nothing.

For future ref, typing, "nah nah nah, I'm not listening" is easier if you're not going to respond to another's post.

What about the second time?

 

[slugboy]

I think if you have your degree, you should be able to move on to another school if you get accepted.
As a regular student, I'd have a hard time transferring from say Michigan to Harvard, but if I could, why should I be penalized for it? Even if I was a college sophomore, isn't it my decision?
I can see why the coaches like the current rules, and how it could really throw a monkey wrench into NCAA athletics, but on academic principles shouldn't they be able to move as long as they're meeting academic requirements?

 

[RamblinRed]

Most of these kids are not getting into the grad schools they are being placed in without the help of athletics.
They are getting spots because they play basketball.
That's not all of them, but alot of them wouldn't have gotten in without the athletic help.

 

[Techster]

Most of these kids are not getting into the grad schools they are being placed in without the help of athletics.
They are getting spots because they play basketball.
That's not all of them, but alot of them wouldn't have gotten in without the athletic help.

Eh...that's pretty well understood. Same can be said for the undergraduate SA admissions. If admissions were "sports blind", 90% (if not more) of the programs would never be able to field a Division 1 team. There were a couple of football players, Darryl Richardson being one and I forget the other, who wanted to return to school to get their MBA but it was problematic given our MBA's more stringent requirements. More specifically work experience. The football players had no professional experience outside of maybe internships. Lo and behold, both players who happened to be front line starters, were accepted. Both were good students in their own right, especially Richardson who may go down as one of the more impressive SAs GT has had, but football made it a lot easier for him to gain admission than if he were a regular student.

 

[slugboy]

Most of these kids are not getting into the grad schools they are being placed in without the help of athletics.
They are getting spots because they play basketball.
That's not all of them, but alot of them wouldn't have gotten in without the athletic help.

I get that it's not the fair playing field between the best athletes and a "regular" student. On the other hand, I don't see a lot of people telling Bill Gates he should have finished his undergrad at Harvard, but they look down on athletes for leaving early to make a living. In a lot of ways, athletes don't get the freedom of a "regular" student.
I think this system is a mess, and while I don't believe in professionalizing college athletes, I lean towards giving them more freedom. It seems like the playing fields are tipped in the favor of the schools--especially the big ones.

 

[Peacone36]

One thing I enjoy about college basketball is the lesser sense of "mercenaries" and actual school pride. I don't want to see a fluid movement of players from program to program. I think if you make schools and coaches honor their agreed upon contracts it may help. I hate to restrict movement among the players but ya know what? It's time to make big boy decisions. Make sure you wanna go there. Don't base it on just the bag of cash you're getting. Not going to start right away? Work harder. Don't get along with the coach? Stop being a bitchy milennial. You're going to college for free. Pick a school on what it can do for you future in more ways than if you are just going to the NBA. Most of you arent

 

[YlJacket]

One thing I enjoy about college basketball is the lesser sense of "mercenaries" and actual school pride. I don't want to see a fluid movement of players from program to program. I think if you make schools and coaches honor their agreed upon contracts it may help. I hate to restrict movement among the players but ya know what? It's time to make big boy decisions. Make sure you wanna go there. Don't base it on just the bag of cash you're getting. Not going to start right away? Work harder. Don't get along with the coach? Stop being a bitchy milennial. You're going to college for free. Pick a school on what it can do for you future in more ways than if you are just going to the NBA. Most of you arent

I don't think the grad transfer rule is the same as "fluid movement of players". In this case I think the player did take care of his or her end of the bargain and did what it takes to graduate from that institution before moving on. That seems the basis of what they are there for.

On the other side, not only is the education free but the biggest value these guys and gals get is getting into an institution/university that they would have no shot at otherwise. Even in the olympic sports 80%+ of the athletes would not be in that school without the athletic entrance standard. FB and BB is 95% +. If you are going to pay them then deduct that value from whatever pay you are thinking of.

Course the logical extreme of that idea is that GT athletes don't get paid cause the value of their education is so high while Louisville athletes make bank

 

[Peacone36]

I don't think the grad transfer rule is the same as "fluid movement of players". In this case I think the player did take care of his or her end of the bargain and did what it takes to graduate from that institution before moving on. That seems the basis of what they are there for.

On the other side, not only is the education free but the biggest value these guys and gals get is getting into an institution/university that they would have no shot at otherwise. Even in the olympic sports 80%+ of the athletes would not be in that school without the athletic entrance standard. FB and BB is 95% +. If you are going to pay them then deduct that value from whatever pay you are thinking of.

Course the logical extreme of that idea is that GT athletes don't get paid cause the value of their education is so high while Louisville athletes make bank

My comment was towards the "are we headed toward FA in CBB" I read this weekend. Sorry I did not clarify

 

[Techster]

You're going to college for free. Pick a school on what it can do for you future in more ways than if you are just going to the NBA. Most of you arent

I would say they traded their ability (and their time) for a college education. Schools ain't giving that scholarship to Johnny Bricks. In the immortal words of Cage the Elephant "Ain't nothing in this world for free..."

 

[Peacone36]

I would say they traded their ability (and their time) for a college education. Schools ain't giving that scholarship to Johnny Bricks. In the immortal words of Cage the Elephant "Ain't nothing in this world for free..."

You're going to school with hardly any monetary responsibility due to your ability to play basketball.