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<blockquote data-quote="Technut1990" data-source="post: 432874" data-attributes="member: 3774"><p>Ok guys like the rest of you I like a good debate. I love Tech Football and sports in general. Given that I’ll explain my perspective on the anthem, perhaps this perspective is bias considering I’ve been a cop for 31 years.</p><p></p><p>First of all I put no other country above this one, I feel pride when the anthem plays ( corny these days I suppose ). I feel that this country is special and I feel those who protest against are in a unique position in that they can complain openly about it without real harm.</p><p></p><p>My entire family has served this country in some capacity since we’ve been here. WWI, Korean, WWII, Vietnam. Members of my family have served as Mayors, Counsel Members and even Tax collectors ( insert joke ).</p><p></p><p>From my perspective given all this, I respect and will give my life to ensure that you can peacefully protest even if I don’t have the same right.</p><p></p><p>This NFL protest thing and the resulting prohibition has solicited cries of racisim, Trump degriding, name calling and most of all the demand to exercise “their” constitutional rights. I’m white, I’ve spent 2/3 rds of my career in an area which has ranged from 70 to 88% minority. I’ve never shot anyone. I’ve been in three real fights, I have zero citizen complaints in my folder ( I think that’s astonishing given the work ) , I’ve got a collection of Christmas Cards, letters and thank you notes from black, white and other members of my community and I’m proud of my actions as a cop.</p><p></p><p>Given this, my biggest complaint about this entire issue is that I am forbidden from speaking out while in my capacity as a cop. I face decipline ranging from a letter in my file ( would be my first), to Suspension to termination - depending on how my words are received. I work under a standing order that I cannot talk to the press and I must obtain permission to put anything on my suit, uniform or car that portrays an opinion.</p><p></p><p>I understand all this given the job, what I don’t understand is the perception that these players are having their rights stepped on. You never hear the cops side in these shootings, until the department approves it - if at all. Cops are ordered to shut up despite what’s being said about them, all over the press. They cannot, at least in the South ( right to work States) form anything resembling a real union, no collective barganing, no strikes, no demand to restructure our contracts - because most are hourly. We work where we are assigned, if we complain about desk duty there are some pointed words but no TV crew wondering where we are. Most of us work at least one part time job, a lot work two.</p><p></p><p>Yet players feel they are mistreated ? In the area that I work there are 5000 calls for police service a day, we average 32 murders a year yet there have only been 7 police shootings in the last 5 years, two cops have been shot to death in the same time period - by those we serve ! But I have to remain silent.</p><p></p><p>Everyone has the right to protest and redress and degrade our country , regardless of what my personal opinion or thoughts are. I will tell you this though. During this protest they protest against the people who serve them daily and who are forbidden to respond when they yell the lies, even as they yell these lies as we - the very people they protest, are literally standing behind them protecting their backs.</p><p></p><p>For fair discourse to be pivotal all sides of the debate have to be heard, on this issue one side never gets to talk and that’s because WE ARE AT WORK !</p><p></p><p>So forgive me if I have little patience for the ‘ you are violating my free speech ‘ group. I haven’t had free speech rights in 31 years, because of my job.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Technut1990, post: 432874, member: 3774"] Ok guys like the rest of you I like a good debate. I love Tech Football and sports in general. Given that I’ll explain my perspective on the anthem, perhaps this perspective is bias considering I’ve been a cop for 31 years. First of all I put no other country above this one, I feel pride when the anthem plays ( corny these days I suppose ). I feel that this country is special and I feel those who protest against are in a unique position in that they can complain openly about it without real harm. My entire family has served this country in some capacity since we’ve been here. WWI, Korean, WWII, Vietnam. Members of my family have served as Mayors, Counsel Members and even Tax collectors ( insert joke ). From my perspective given all this, I respect and will give my life to ensure that you can peacefully protest even if I don’t have the same right. This NFL protest thing and the resulting prohibition has solicited cries of racisim, Trump degriding, name calling and most of all the demand to exercise “their” constitutional rights. I’m white, I’ve spent 2/3 rds of my career in an area which has ranged from 70 to 88% minority. I’ve never shot anyone. I’ve been in three real fights, I have zero citizen complaints in my folder ( I think that’s astonishing given the work ) , I’ve got a collection of Christmas Cards, letters and thank you notes from black, white and other members of my community and I’m proud of my actions as a cop. Given this, my biggest complaint about this entire issue is that I am forbidden from speaking out while in my capacity as a cop. I face decipline ranging from a letter in my file ( would be my first), to Suspension to termination - depending on how my words are received. I work under a standing order that I cannot talk to the press and I must obtain permission to put anything on my suit, uniform or car that portrays an opinion. I understand all this given the job, what I don’t understand is the perception that these players are having their rights stepped on. You never hear the cops side in these shootings, until the department approves it - if at all. Cops are ordered to shut up despite what’s being said about them, all over the press. They cannot, at least in the South ( right to work States) form anything resembling a real union, no collective barganing, no strikes, no demand to restructure our contracts - because most are hourly. We work where we are assigned, if we complain about desk duty there are some pointed words but no TV crew wondering where we are. Most of us work at least one part time job, a lot work two. Yet players feel they are mistreated ? In the area that I work there are 5000 calls for police service a day, we average 32 murders a year yet there have only been 7 police shootings in the last 5 years, two cops have been shot to death in the same time period - by those we serve ! But I have to remain silent. Everyone has the right to protest and redress and degrade our country , regardless of what my personal opinion or thoughts are. I will tell you this though. During this protest they protest against the people who serve them daily and who are forbidden to respond when they yell the lies, even as they yell these lies as we - the very people they protest, are literally standing behind them protecting their backs. For fair discourse to be pivotal all sides of the debate have to be heard, on this issue one side never gets to talk and that’s because WE ARE AT WORK ! So forgive me if I have little patience for the ‘ you are violating my free speech ‘ group. I haven’t had free speech rights in 31 years, because of my job. [/QUOTE]
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