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<blockquote data-quote="33jacket" data-source="post: 162099" data-attributes="member: 628"><p>08 and 09 were not primarily pauls guys....where we saw the issues arise in the OL was in those middle years. In 2008 paul had an OL comprised of a 2 NFL players in cord howard and Garnder who was at or over 300 plus a bunch of zone guys at or over 300.</p><p></p><p>Instead of doing the average size for all the OL on the roster, why not just look at the starting 5? Those are who play and matter. A walkon OL that weighs 260 skews the data and I don't see how that matters much. Really what we are talking about is who the prime talent is and makes the field.</p><p></p><p>Listed weights are also a trap but I realize its all one can go on. Jay Finch was listed at 280 or 285 and I know for a fact scaled at 265 mid season his senior year. Our starting center was Sean bedford...who may lurk here but I am not sure every played much over 280....probably when dropping weight mid season was more like 270 or 275.</p><p></p><p>But I judge alot on the eye check. IMO Our OL are taller, bigger, and better frames than they were in 2010 and 2011/12. Its obvious to me when you look body to body. Sean Bedford and Jay finch are a lot smaller than Burden. ALOT. That Center is responsible for that A gap push.... between 20-35 lbs lighter and shorter. Mason and Uzzi is a wash. Joe @ 6-3 313 is bigger than whoever was there on the right side. Braun is taller, wider and more put together than Jackson who struggled to break 280 until his senior year and he was right at 280 despite his list at 290. Trey Braun is a legit 295 maybe 300. Will Jackson was a legit 275 or 280 most his playing career. Chamberlain is also a legit 295...these guys are 6-5 range not 6-2/3 like they were. We had a beno at 6-1 and 290 there on the left side.</p><p></p><p>Every one of our OL today are at the 300 mark legit. In the past 3 of 5 were at the 280 mark. All our OL are taller now. We are in the 6-4 range plus now. In the past, the guys are 6-1, 6-2, 6-3. Our tallest OL in 2012 was 6-3.</p><p></p><p>Our starting OL right now goes 295, 295, 302, 360, 313. That average is<strong> 313. </strong>There isn't one class close to that under paul. In 2014 the average starter was right at/over 300 lbs. In 2012 the starting OL was 285 range. <strong>The size difference is there...and its true...its not just a insignificant wash of data. </strong>We are 15+lbs bigger across the board per guy today.</p><p></p><p>I just disagree with the notion our OL is not much bigger. It is and you can see it IMO. Its a bunch better too. That OL from 2012 4 of the 5 would not start on this team. The team now also does not cut on the OL as much as they did in 2011 and 2012 too. There is a fundamental shift in the body and style of the OL play the last 2 years.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="33jacket, post: 162099, member: 628"] 08 and 09 were not primarily pauls guys....where we saw the issues arise in the OL was in those middle years. In 2008 paul had an OL comprised of a 2 NFL players in cord howard and Garnder who was at or over 300 plus a bunch of zone guys at or over 300. Instead of doing the average size for all the OL on the roster, why not just look at the starting 5? Those are who play and matter. A walkon OL that weighs 260 skews the data and I don't see how that matters much. Really what we are talking about is who the prime talent is and makes the field. Listed weights are also a trap but I realize its all one can go on. Jay Finch was listed at 280 or 285 and I know for a fact scaled at 265 mid season his senior year. Our starting center was Sean bedford...who may lurk here but I am not sure every played much over 280....probably when dropping weight mid season was more like 270 or 275. But I judge alot on the eye check. IMO Our OL are taller, bigger, and better frames than they were in 2010 and 2011/12. Its obvious to me when you look body to body. Sean Bedford and Jay finch are a lot smaller than Burden. ALOT. That Center is responsible for that A gap push.... between 20-35 lbs lighter and shorter. Mason and Uzzi is a wash. Joe @ 6-3 313 is bigger than whoever was there on the right side. Braun is taller, wider and more put together than Jackson who struggled to break 280 until his senior year and he was right at 280 despite his list at 290. Trey Braun is a legit 295 maybe 300. Will Jackson was a legit 275 or 280 most his playing career. Chamberlain is also a legit 295...these guys are 6-5 range not 6-2/3 like they were. We had a beno at 6-1 and 290 there on the left side. Every one of our OL today are at the 300 mark legit. In the past 3 of 5 were at the 280 mark. All our OL are taller now. We are in the 6-4 range plus now. In the past, the guys are 6-1, 6-2, 6-3. Our tallest OL in 2012 was 6-3. Our starting OL right now goes 295, 295, 302, 360, 313. That average is[B] 313. [/B]There isn't one class close to that under paul. In 2014 the average starter was right at/over 300 lbs. In 2012 the starting OL was 285 range. [B]The size difference is there...and its true...its not just a insignificant wash of data. [/B]We are 15+lbs bigger across the board per guy today. I just disagree with the notion our OL is not much bigger. It is and you can see it IMO. Its a bunch better too. That OL from 2012 4 of the 5 would not start on this team. The team now also does not cut on the OL as much as they did in 2011 and 2012 too. There is a fundamental shift in the body and style of the OL play the last 2 years. [/QUOTE]
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