Commissioner Jim Phillips on CFP

[roadkill]

Funny. So in both polls there are more ACC teams ranked and SEC teams on average are ranked lower when using math. Which is my entire point. The committee has different metrics every week and every year. It’s a committee that said last year “we used the eye test on FSU and they aren’t as good as Bama.” No other level of football has a committee to decide who should be in the playoffs but we’ve decided that all of these members with ties to other schools has the best interests at heart…

Yes that's interesting. Colley doesn't think Tennessee (CFP rank #7) despite their 10-2 record, is a playoff team at all. They have an awful SoS. So the committee can be justified in ranking Bama over Miami by objective measures, but apparently used a different approach to including Tennessee. SEC bias, anyone?

To be fair, I do think that trends (such as team A is playing lights out toward the end of the season vs. team B stumbling, even though they may have identical records) need to be a factor in choosing the best teams for the playoff. This is not reflected in the Colley ranking.

 

[g0lftime]

The first differential, and then you can stop, is that Miami is 10-2 and Alabama is 9-3. Don't need to go any further than that. If Miami were a G5 team it would be a different story, but they're not.

The committee doesn't care about losses or wins. They care about the name on the front of the jersey and the conference they come from. It's not about merit, it's about TV money.

It's setup to put 4 SEC teams and 4 B1G teams in every year. Reality folks.

 

[stinger78]

It's setup to put 4 SEC teams and 4 B1G teams in every year. Reality folks.

We knew the from the big inning, right?

 

[iceeater1969]

It's setup to put 4 SEC teams and 4 B1G teams in every year. Reality folks.

So lets get 90 percent of ncaa that will never make the playoff to vote to dock each of the 12 play off teams 5 scholarships. The ones that make quarter finals are docked 5 more. The semi loose another 5. That would spread the wealth.

 

[awbuzz]

We knew the from the big inning, right?

Baseball?

 

[Techwood Relict]

I didn't think he will, hello Travis Hunter, but I'd like to see Cam Ward win the Heisman and listen to the word judo as people make an argument against an ACC team with the best QB in the country being left out of the postseason. As opposed to say, having a great team, but no QB come playoff time..... With two years in a row of this happening, can we just drop the pretenses and set fire to the pretend relationships with other conferences. I have one in mind that we could start with.

 

[stinger78]

I didn't think he will, hello Travis Hunter, but I'd like to see Cam Ward win the Heisman and listen to the word judo as people make an argument against an ACC team with the best QB in the country being left out of the postseason. As opposed to say, having a great team, but no QB come playoff time..... With two years in a row of this happening, can we just drop the pretenses and set fire to the pretend relationships with other conferences. I have one in mind that we could start with.

Nothing would suit me better.

 

[Techster]

If you want to know why it's important for GT to leave the ACC once the GOR is figured out or someone legally solves it (besides being on the wrong side of the impending ginormous revenue gap that will separate the Big 2 from the "Other 2"), the playoff selection charade is one of the bigger reasons. SEC and B1G have already said they want more guaranteed spots (most likely 3-4 spots) for their respective conferences, which will leave the ACC/Big 12/rest of FBS to fight over the scraps.

BTW, another data point is coming in favorably for GT to the B1G:



When GT is good, and we play good teams, audiences tune in. A good GT team playing a B1G schedule should be one of the top draws for that conference. Get paid, a good chance to be in the playoffs if we finish in the top 4 of a major conference, and be the biggest fish in the Southern Market for the B1G...that's a LOT to like.

More data points...

 

[cpf2001]

In theory it seems better to argue about team 12 than team 2.

In practice it’s made it harder for ACC teams.

Had SMU or Miami been undefeated they’d likely be sitting at 2 in the olden days. One more game to win.

Now an ACC team has to have zero or one losses to have an at large shot while SEC teams get forgiven for 2 or 3. They can rest players more in cases of marginal injury status. They can hold things back for the postseason.

They know anything can happen in a playoff. So they want to own 2/3s of the spots.

 

[FredJacket]

More data points...

Eyeballs on our games is great. We benefited here with scheduling & the fact that FSU (normally ACC media crown jewel) was so down.
Schedule-wise... we played the only P4 game in Week 0. No "competing" game to watch. & UGA on Fri night of Thanksgiving weekend is huge for viewership.

 

[gtbeak]

Eyeballs on our games is great. We benefited here with scheduling & the fact that FSU (normally ACC media crown jewel) was so down.
Schedule-wise... we played the only P4 game in Week 0. No "competing" game to watch. & UGA on Fri night of Thanksgiving weekend is huge for viewership.

Fred, you need to work in your "spin" skills!

While true that JBatt did a great job in positioning us to get eyeballs, I believe I read that our game versus UGa was the most watched Black Friday college football game ever. So we (and UGa) did more than select a good time slot, we also delivered a game that a lot of folks around the country wanted to see.

 

[FredJacket]

Fred, you need to work in your "spin" skills!

While true that JBatt did a great job in positioning us to get eyeballs, I believe I read that our game versus UGa was the most watched Black Friday college football game ever. So we (and UGa) did more than select a good time slot, we also delivered a game that a lot of folks around the country wanted to see.

Hopefully... this doesn't surprise you or disappoint you. I did no research in forming my words. All "feels" All "feels"

 

[Northeast Stinger]

Hopefully... this doesn't surprise you or disappoint you. I did no research in forming my words. All "feels" All "feels"

So. Unlike. You.

 

[Techster]

Eyeballs on our games is great. We benefited here with scheduling & the fact that FSU (normally ACC media crown jewel) was so down.
Schedule-wise... we played the only P4 game in Week 0. No "competing" game to watch. & UGA on Fri night of Thanksgiving weekend is huge for viewership.

That's my point. GT will benefit from being in the B1G with MORE marquee teams than the ACC (OSU, Michigan, Penn State, Oregon, USC, UCLA, Mich State, Wisconsin, Iowa, Washington, etc), and vice versa...B1G will also benefit from having a good GT team against their programs in a GIANT southern market. Now B1G is getting Northern PLUS Southern (plus West Coast) eyeballs on a matchup of GT versus whatever B1G team. GT is a historically good team, and one that makes a compelling matchup when we are good. The fact that we were outdrawing Miami and FSU tells you that. Now imagine GT versus B1G teams.

The most important ingredient here is that GT needs to be, at minimum, the type of program we've been the past two seasons. An exciting team that has the ability to beat Miami/UGA/FSU type teams.

There's no "all feels" here. The data speaks for itself because GT didn't play a schedule full of FSU/Miami/UGAs...we played some historically "meh" programs.

It never surprises me how the biggest undersellers of GT are GT fans. LOL...

 

[stinger78]

That's my point. GT will benefit from being in the B1G with MORE marquee teams than the ACC (OSU, Michigan, Penn State, Oregon, USC, UCLA, Mich State, Wisconsin, Iowa, Washington, etc), and vice versa...B1G will also benefit from having a good GT team against their programs in a GIANT southern market. Now B1G is getting Northern PLUS Southern (plus West Coast) eyeballs on a matchup of GT versus whatever B1G team. GT is a historically good team, and one that makes a compelling matchup when we are good. The fact that we were outdrawing Miami and FSU tells you that. Now imagine GT versus B1G teams.

The most important ingredient here is that GT needs to be, at minimum, the type of program we've been the past two seasons. An exciting team that has the ability to beat Miami/UGA/FSU type teams.

There's no "all feels" here. The data speaks for itself because GT didn't play a schedule full of FSU/Miami/UGAs...we played some historically "meh" programs.

It never surprises me how the biggest undersellers of GT are GT fans. LOL...

We have a serious self-loathing complex. Maybe it’s because so many of us were beat up so bad by Ma Tech. I dunno.

 

[FredJacket]

That's my point. GT will benefit from being in the B1G with MORE marquee teams than the ACC (OSU, Michigan, Penn State, Oregon, USC, UCLA, Mich State, Wisconsin, Iowa, Washington, etc), and vice versa...B1G will also benefit from having a good GT team against their programs in a GIANT southern market. Now B1G is getting Northern PLUS Southern (plus West Coast) eyeballs on a matchup of GT versus whatever B1G team. GT is a historically good team, and one that makes a compelling matchup when we are good. The fact that we were outdrawing Miami and FSU tells you that. Now imagine GT versus B1G teams.

The most important ingredient here is that GT needs to be, at minimum, the type of program we've been the past two seasons. An exciting team that has the ability to beat Miami/UGA/FSU type teams.

There's no "all feels" here. The data speaks for itself because GT didn't play a schedule full of FSU/Miami/UGAs...we played some historically "meh" programs.

It never surprises me how the biggest undersellers of GT are GT fans. LOL...

Perhaps I came across as contrarian to your post. Not my intent. I agree with everything you say here. True... I have not look closely at this data or all the implications. I fall back on simple explanations to things and the big driver is not the "GT brand" in my opinion... it is putting a good product on the field consistently year in and year out. You say that right there in the middle of your post. The brand can be elevated through other ways (in parallel) and I'd leave that to other experts. But the bottom line is WIN. Ga Tech is geographically located in a great spot... where I believe there is a tipping point (not quite yet reached) ... where the excitement can really accelerate locally, regionally, and [hopefully] nationally. Definitely... JBatt and CBK deserve so much credit for getting us out of the hole from the circus they inherited so quickly.

 

[stinger78]

Perhaps I came across as contrarian to your post. Not my intent. I agree with everything you say here. True... I have not look closely at this data or all the implications. I fall back on simple explanations to things and the big driver is not the "GT brand" in my opinion... it is putting a good product on the field consistently year in and year out. You say that right there in the middle of your post. The brand can be elevated through other ways (in parallel) and I'd leave that to other experts. But the bottom line is WIN. Ga Tech is geographically located in a great spot... where I believe there is a tipping point (not quite yet reached) ... where the excitement can really accelerate locally, regionally, and [hopefully] nationally. Definitely... JBatt and CBK deserve so much credit for getting us out of the hole from the circus they inherited so quickly.

Don’t forget Angel Cabrera. He was the key to providing the institutional support that has been missing for so long.

 

[forensicbuzz]

When GT is really good, the sidewalk fans come out of the woodwork in Georgia. When we're not very good, they tend to remain silent. I saw this in 90, 98-01, and again in 2008 and 2014. We just have to find a way to stay consistently good. I think we can if we can hold onto our coaches and administrators who are making this happen. If we don't, we lose the momentum and it collapses like a house of cards. Need a little concrete in that foundation.

 

[stinger78]

When GT is really good, the sidewalk fans come out of the woodwork in Georgia. When we're not very good, they tend to remain silent. I saw this in 90, 98-01, and again in 2008 and 2014. We just have to find a way to stay consistently good. I think we can if we can hold onto our coaches and administrators who are making this happen. If we don't, we lose the momentum and it collapses like a house of cards. Need a little concrete in that foundation.

CBK is the youngest HC we’ve had in a while, maybe since B*** L****, and maybe even younger than him. Shoot, that may go back to Dodd himself. If he continues to develop, and he stays happy, he could be at Tech for a long time.

ETA: Bud Carson and Bill Curry were younger than Brent at their respective hires (37), as was Fulcher (38). BL and TFG were both older. Pepper was about the same age as CBK (43).

 

[bke1984]

CBK is the youngest HC we’ve had in a while, maybe since B*** L****, and maybe even younger than him. Shoot, that may go back to Dodd himself. If he continues to develop, and he stays happy, he could be at Tech for a long time.

Maybe. It's hard to win consistently. Even Dodd had a tough time after 1956. Back then the goodwill you earned could keep you around for a while. These days you go 3 years with a poor record and people want you gone.