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I wonder how Charlton Young feels about that. I figured he was coach in waiting there.
Coaching Carousel 6 - You can't make everyone happy. You are not bacon.
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I wonder how Charlton Young feels about that. I figured he was coach in waiting there.
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Just a thought.. given the universal love Moses and Jose now get, should we be calling them the Bacon Bros?
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Is he going to be 90 & still coaching at frees shoes u?
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Only took him TWENTY YEARS to build a solid program even with the talent level.
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Partly facetious gonna become your middle name...
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That one is not facetious. Took most of 2 decades to get past the second round of the NCAAT despite having a plethora of high end talent. He’s finally had 3 consecutive years of really good teams for the first time.
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He has a very good program, way better than solid.
We'd collectively go on a murderous rampage to get what he's led FSU to over the past decade, let alone two decades.
He gets some great talent, but he mixes in a variety of 3*s, including several on this year's team. Probably their best player, RaiQuan Gray, was #159 composite.
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He has a very good program, way better than solid.
We'd collectively go on a murderous rampage to get what he's led FSU to over the past decade, let alone two decades.
He gets some great talent, but he mixes in a variety of 3*s, including several on this year's team. Probably their best player, RaiQuan Gray, was #159 composite.
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If we had his level of talent, we’d have fired him 10-15 years ago for not doing any better.
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This is bad take dude.
Hamilton came to FSU when they had gone on a near 10 year streak where their best conference record was 6-10. He matched that in year 2 and in year 4 started a streak of 16 and counting years better than that. In year 7 he started a streak of 4 straight years of finish 3rd or better that included winning a conference championship in in 2012. He didn't improve FSU nearly as quick as Bennett did UVA for example but he has done a remarkable job of steadily improving FSU into one of the best programs in the ACC and boiling his time down to just not getting past the second round is a shallow analysis to say the least.
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Because our ADs have been idiots? Perhaps. I think you're aggrandizing the talent levels a bit in an attempt to fit your narrative.
Would you then agree with this statement?
"Bobby Cremins at Georgia Tech - Solid program"
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You kind of have to based on your theory.
You're both right (or wrong?). What he's done there is a tremendous accomplishment.
Still though, you would've thought he would've had more tourney success in such a long time.
Doesnt devalue what he's done, but still seems odd.
Still though, you would've thought he would've had more tourney success in such a long time.
Doesnt devalue what he's done, but still seems odd.
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My thesis - Leonard Hamilton's regime at FSU has been a very good program. Better than just solid.
The body of work, including the as-is post-season results, is very good overall.
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Youre missing the point - that’s not what anybody is arguing.
They’ve had 3 5-star recruits and 5 4-star recruits in the last 5 years. Now imagine having those sorts of recruits and going nearly 20 years without making it past round 2 in the NCAAT more than once. (Half the time they didn’t even make the tournament.). He also never won the ACC those 20 years and only even finished inside the top 3 a couple times.
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That's an impressively giant leap to assume that because of the talent level of the last 5 years has been so good, he's had that level for the past 20 years, so how did he not do more in single game elimination post season play.
Prove that. Prove the last 5 years of recruiting can be applied to the past 19 seasons.
Leonard Hamilton at FSU - very good program. Better than just solid.
The numbers speak for themselves and they're very good.
That's it. That's my thesis, yet you're desperately trying to diminish it and i certainly have no idea why.
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LOL. I picked the last 5 years of talent because it was easiest to get to in order to make the point.
I never said Florida State wasn't a good program. In fact, I said the opposite. In fact, they are an EXTREMELY good program over the last 3 years.
My point was the first 20 years it was amazing how little they won compared to the talent they had.
Going back 20 years (as far as 247 goes), Florida State has had 9 5-stars and 32 4-stars.
(By comparison, we've had 5 5-stars and 22 4-stars over the same period. Half of those came around the 2006-2009 timeframe.)
So my point is, if you had at least 1 5-star player and 5 4-stars on your team at any given time, you wouldn't have likely been happy with him for most of his tenure. His average record his first 15 years was 20-13 overall, 8-9 in the ACC, and he missed the NCAAT 2/3rds of the time.
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I guess so because he reversed course from negging Hamilton's FSU program?
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Nope, and stop trolling.