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<blockquote data-quote="RamblinRed" data-source="post: 216021" data-attributes="member: 1776"><p>Here's the analysis I had in a separate post on another board.</p><p></p><p>To compete in the ACC you need to be signing at least 2 4* players per yr. Gregory has done that once - with Carter and MGH, and Carter left after 2 years. MGH is the only 4 star player to play more than 2 seasons at GT under Gregory.</p><p></p><p>He's had 1 ACC level starter play for 4 seasons on the Flats.That's abysmal.</p><p>Transfers who are here for only one year frankly count for less because they can only impact your program for 1 season.</p><p></p><p>He's had to go heavy on the transfer method because he has utterly failed to sign enough strong prospects out of HS.</p><p></p><p>Let's look at this year by year.</p><p>2012</p><p>MGH - consensus 4<em>, 4 yr ACC level starter</em></p><p><em>Carter - consensus high 4</em>, ACC level starter, plays 2 yrs and transfers out</p><p>Bolden - consensus 3*, ACC level role player, part time starter, misses time multiple seasons, transfers out after 3</p><p>Heyward - unrated, spring signee, not an ACC caliber player</p><p></p><p>2013</p><p>Solo Poole - consensus 4<em>, reclassifies and enrolls early. High risk kid who flames out, doesn't even start at FAU this season</em></p><p><em>Q - consensus 3</em>, ACC level role player</p><p>Jorgenson - consensus 3*, spring signee after missing on fall targets (particuarly Newkirk), injured FR yr, never really has recovered. Not currently an ACC level player.</p><p></p><p>2014</p><p>Tadric - consensus 4<em>, has underperformed relative to ranking to this point. Will have a chance to show what he can do next season. ACC level role player right now, could be a starting caliber player</em></p><p><em>Lammers - consensus 3</em> solid developing big man. ACC role level player right now, could be a starter quality in future.</p><p>AD Gueye - not rated, spring signee, has made no impact yet, may or may not be ACC level player</p><p></p><p>2015</p><p>Sylvester Ogbonda - 3 star, developmental big man. redshirted this year, will see if he is ACC level soon enough</p><p></p><p>2016</p><p>White - consensus 4<em>, will be expected to play alot or start as FR</em></p><p><em>Okogie - consensus 3</em>, had strong SR yr. Has the potential to develop as a poor man's Hunt</p><p>Matthews - consensus 3*, strong SR yr, could be nice wing scorer.</p><p></p><p>So in 5 yrs of recruiting he has signed 4 4* star players, only 2 of whom have proven to be ACC level starters, one of whom transferred out after 2 yrs. That's abysmal and shows why he has had to go so heavy in the spring transfer market to even field a team.</p><p></p><p>Let's look at transfers</p><p>2011</p><p>Pierre Jordan - grad transfer from FSU with 2 yrs of eligibility. Taken mainly to improve relationship with father and get an in with Carter. Not an ACC level player.</p><p></p><p>2012</p><p>Stacey Poole Jr - consensus 4* out of HS. Transferred from KY, helpful in getting Solo (that may not be a positive). Was severely overrated out of HS. Never made any impact at KY or GT. Not an ACC level player.</p><p></p><p>2013</p><p>Robert Sampson - transfer from East Carolina.Good rebounder and defender. ACC level role player</p><p>Trae Golden - consensus 4* in HS, transfer from TN. ACC level starter. Good player</p><p></p><p>2014</p><p>Charles Mitchell - consensus high 3<em> in HS, transfer from MD, 2 yrs eligibility, ACC level starter</em></p><p><em>Demarco Cox - consensus 4</em> out of HS, grad transfer from Ole Miss, good rebounder,defender. borderline ACC level starter</p><p>Josh Heath - 2* in HS, transfer from South FL due to father's relationship with Gregory. ACC level deep reserve</p><p></p><p>Nick Jacobs - consensus 4*, transfer from AL. ACC level starter.</p><p></p><p>2015</p><p>Adam Smith - started at UMC Wilmington, transferred to VT, grad transfer to GT. ACC level starter and best shooter at GT since at least Morrow.</p><p>James White - Grad transfer from Ark LR. Great energy/hustle type. ACC level role player.</p><p></p><p>He's brought in 10 transfers over his 5 yrs - including 5 grad transfers. I'd argue 4 of the top 6 players he's had at GT are transfers (Smith, Mitchell, Trae, Jacobs) and 3 of the 4 played 1 season.</p><p>I'd argue 2 of the 9 made no impact at all, weren't really ACC level and the other 4 were ACC role players.</p><p></p><p>Looking at 5 yrs of history you are currently seeing 1 ACC level starter from the HS ranks, a second who played 2 yrs and 2 more that may be ACC level starters their last 2 seasons. Not good.</p><p>From the transfer ranks, 4 ACC level starters who gave you 5 combined years and 4 that are role players.</p><p></p><p>Of his top 6 players, 1 played 4 yrs (MGH), 2 played 2 yrs (Carter, Mitchell), and 3 played 1 yr (Smith, Trae, Jacobs).</p><p>Of his 4 4* HS players who have matriculated, 1 was a 4 yr starter, 1 was a 2 yr starter, 1 is a 2 yr backup and 1 is a bust. That is a poor return on 4* players.</p><p></p><p>He simply has failed to recruit at anywhere near the level needed to be anything but a bottom third ACC level school and frankly there is no indication that is likely to change. GT has seldom been able to put more than 3 ACC level starters on the floor at a time during his tenure.</p><p></p><p>There's your unvarnished truth about recruiting (note I did not include any players he inherited from Hewitt as that is irrelevant to this discussion)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="RamblinRed, post: 216021, member: 1776"] Here's the analysis I had in a separate post on another board. To compete in the ACC you need to be signing at least 2 4* players per yr. Gregory has done that once - with Carter and MGH, and Carter left after 2 years. MGH is the only 4 star player to play more than 2 seasons at GT under Gregory. He's had 1 ACC level starter play for 4 seasons on the Flats.That's abysmal. Transfers who are here for only one year frankly count for less because they can only impact your program for 1 season. He's had to go heavy on the transfer method because he has utterly failed to sign enough strong prospects out of HS. Let's look at this year by year. 2012 MGH - consensus 4[I], 4 yr ACC level starter Carter - consensus high 4[/I], ACC level starter, plays 2 yrs and transfers out Bolden - consensus 3*, ACC level role player, part time starter, misses time multiple seasons, transfers out after 3 Heyward - unrated, spring signee, not an ACC caliber player 2013 Solo Poole - consensus 4[I], reclassifies and enrolls early. High risk kid who flames out, doesn't even start at FAU this season Q - consensus 3[/I], ACC level role player Jorgenson - consensus 3*, spring signee after missing on fall targets (particuarly Newkirk), injured FR yr, never really has recovered. Not currently an ACC level player. 2014 Tadric - consensus 4[I], has underperformed relative to ranking to this point. Will have a chance to show what he can do next season. ACC level role player right now, could be a starting caliber player Lammers - consensus 3[/I] solid developing big man. ACC role level player right now, could be a starter quality in future. AD Gueye - not rated, spring signee, has made no impact yet, may or may not be ACC level player 2015 Sylvester Ogbonda - 3 star, developmental big man. redshirted this year, will see if he is ACC level soon enough 2016 White - consensus 4[I], will be expected to play alot or start as FR Okogie - consensus 3[/I], had strong SR yr. Has the potential to develop as a poor man's Hunt Matthews - consensus 3*, strong SR yr, could be nice wing scorer. So in 5 yrs of recruiting he has signed 4 4* star players, only 2 of whom have proven to be ACC level starters, one of whom transferred out after 2 yrs. That's abysmal and shows why he has had to go so heavy in the spring transfer market to even field a team. Let's look at transfers 2011 Pierre Jordan - grad transfer from FSU with 2 yrs of eligibility. Taken mainly to improve relationship with father and get an in with Carter. Not an ACC level player. 2012 Stacey Poole Jr - consensus 4* out of HS. Transferred from KY, helpful in getting Solo (that may not be a positive). Was severely overrated out of HS. Never made any impact at KY or GT. Not an ACC level player. 2013 Robert Sampson - transfer from East Carolina.Good rebounder and defender. ACC level role player Trae Golden - consensus 4* in HS, transfer from TN. ACC level starter. Good player 2014 Charles Mitchell - consensus high 3[I] in HS, transfer from MD, 2 yrs eligibility, ACC level starter Demarco Cox - consensus 4[/I] out of HS, grad transfer from Ole Miss, good rebounder,defender. borderline ACC level starter Josh Heath - 2* in HS, transfer from South FL due to father's relationship with Gregory. ACC level deep reserve Nick Jacobs - consensus 4*, transfer from AL. ACC level starter. 2015 Adam Smith - started at UMC Wilmington, transferred to VT, grad transfer to GT. ACC level starter and best shooter at GT since at least Morrow. James White - Grad transfer from Ark LR. Great energy/hustle type. ACC level role player. He's brought in 10 transfers over his 5 yrs - including 5 grad transfers. I'd argue 4 of the top 6 players he's had at GT are transfers (Smith, Mitchell, Trae, Jacobs) and 3 of the 4 played 1 season. I'd argue 2 of the 9 made no impact at all, weren't really ACC level and the other 4 were ACC role players. Looking at 5 yrs of history you are currently seeing 1 ACC level starter from the HS ranks, a second who played 2 yrs and 2 more that may be ACC level starters their last 2 seasons. Not good. From the transfer ranks, 4 ACC level starters who gave you 5 combined years and 4 that are role players. Of his top 6 players, 1 played 4 yrs (MGH), 2 played 2 yrs (Carter, Mitchell), and 3 played 1 yr (Smith, Trae, Jacobs). Of his 4 4* HS players who have matriculated, 1 was a 4 yr starter, 1 was a 2 yr starter, 1 is a 2 yr backup and 1 is a bust. That is a poor return on 4* players. He simply has failed to recruit at anywhere near the level needed to be anything but a bottom third ACC level school and frankly there is no indication that is likely to change. GT has seldom been able to put more than 3 ACC level starters on the floor at a time during his tenure. There's your unvarnished truth about recruiting (note I did not include any players he inherited from Hewitt as that is irrelevant to this discussion) [/QUOTE]
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