Championship games

[Bogey]

More conspiracy… this would put the three SEC teams in different quadrants on the bracket thus maximizing their chance to win it all…

Puts Clemson & SMU in different brackets also.

 

[forensicbuzz]

Puts Clemson & SMU in different brackets also.

11 and 12 would be opposite brackets. 5/12 and 6/11, then 1/12 and 2/11. The 12/4 and 11/3, then 11/12 rematch for championship of the College Football Playoff.

 

[forensicbuzz]

Does #17 jump #15 ASU because of a better win (#8 versus #16), putting Clemson at #4. Then SMU falls to #13 because Alabama at #11 can’t fall out of the CFP for not playing.

They’ll find a way. After last year, there’s zero question. Alabama and South Carolina (and Ole Miss, with Lane Kiffin’s crying) being so much better than everyone else and being left out means we should expand to 16

 

[CEB]

Does #17 jump #15 ASU because of a better win (#8 versus #16), putting Clemson at #4. Then SMU falls to #13 because Alabama at #11 can’t fall out of the CFP for not playing.

They’ll find a way. After last year, there’s zero question. Alabama and South Carolina (and Ole Miss, with Lane Kiffin’s crying) being so much better than everyone else and being left out means we should expand to 16

I’d really like to see a Texas / SMU matchup in the 5/12 game.
I fear the committee will favor ND / Bama

Hope they do the right thing and keep SMU

 

[stinger78]

Yeah, I don't know who's rabbit ears are set to the higher frequency. The Syracuse coach listening for anyone saying anything remotely close to a diss or root4 listening for anyone saying anything remotely negative about an official/SECheat.

FTFY.

 

[Thwg777]

SMU will get in over Alabama.

SMU coming back and losing by 3 will get them in.

The only way the ACC gets two teams in was Clempy winning small which happened.

Clempy will not get a top 4 seed.

Texas is the 5 seed despite wholy not deserving it.

I am fairly certain of all this by judging odds from the betting markets.

 

[Root4GT]

Here you go Root. Why does HK’s head snap back if it’s not lowering the crown of the helmet to make forcible contact to the head or neck area?

The problem is the video does not clearly show what part of the helmet hits King and exactly where it hits him. What part of the helmet hit King can only be inferred from that video angle. This is not dissimilar to Efford's hit in the NCST game where they said the side of Efford's Helmet hit the NCT player in the helmet. King was not defenseless as he was running.

Targeting is a judgment call. I wish it had gone Tech's way. It could easily been called Targeting and many review teams would see it that way. That is the issue with Targeting. There is no standard, it is 100% up to the review team to determine if it was Targeting. Targeting calls vary greatly from game to game.

I get you believe it was Targeting and the officials are biased and influenced by their Conference. We simply disagree. I have no issue with disagreeing.

 

[Root4GT]

SMU will get in over Alabama.

SMU coming back and losing by 3 will get them in.

The only way the ACC gets two teams in was Clempy winning small which happened.

Clempy will not get a top 4 seed.

Texas is the 5 seed despite wholy not deserving it.

I am fairly certain of all this by judging odds from the betting markets.

I hope you are correct. My gut tells me the Committee will dump SMU. The Committee (see ESPN) likes Brand Name teams. The CFP already has non Brand Name teams in Indiana, Boise State and Arizona State. I believe they will pull in Alabama and dump SMU with some absurd twisted logic! This is a TV show to make money more than anything else! Alabama brings far more viewers then SMU!

 

[leatherneckjacket]

The problem is the video does not clearly show what part of the helmet hits King and exactly where it hits him. What part of the helmet hit King can only be inferred from that video angle. This is not dissimilar to Efford's hit in the NCST game where they said the side of Efford's Helmet hit the NCT player in the helmet. King was not defenseless as he was running.

Targeting is a judgment call. I wish it had gone Tech's way. It could easily been called Targeting and many review teams would see it that way. That is the issue with Targeting. There is no standard, it is 100% up to the review team to determine if it was Targeting. Targeting calls vary greatly from game to game.

I get you believe it was Targeting and the officials are biased and influenced by their Conference. We simply disagree. I have no issue with disagreeing.

I think the larger point was that it clearly presented as a possible target, but did not get a full review as it should have. Just as their should have been a full review on the potential tip when our defensive line and head coach were saying it was tipped. Those two, plus the missed fumble and holding calls, made it seem like the refs were biased towards the dwags. No one is going to convince you against your will, but there is sufficient evidence to suggest you might be wrong.

 

[Thwg777]

I hope you are correct. My gut tells me the Committee will dump SMU. The Committee (see ESPN) likes Brand Name teams. The CFP already has non Brand Name teams in Indiana, Boise State and Arizona State. I believe they will pull in Alabama and dump SMU with some absurd twisted logic! This is a TV show to make money more than anything else! Alabama brings far more viewers then SMU!

I’m very certain.

Going into yesterday both SMU and Alabama were around 80% likely in.

SMU gets in by either winning or losing close.

Bama gets in by either SMU winning or Clempy winning big.

SMU lost small. The odds now are SMU / Bama and indicate about 85% chance SMU, 15% Bama. It’s not a charity or wishful thinking. The markets were right last year showing that Free Shoes to get in was a total sucker bet.

 

[MWBATL]

Also, will UGAg get the F$U treatment for losing their starting QB?

No, that shouldn’t happen, for the following reasons:

1. it was wrong to do it to FSU
2. The backup QB for UGa led them effectively (whereas the backup for FSU didn’t) ergo they are less reliant one their QB other be competitive
3. not clear that it is a season ending injury (He was out there handing the ball off in OT)

 

[THWG]

I think the larger point was that it clearly presented as a possible target, but did not get a full review as it should have. Just as their should have been a full review on the potential tip when our defensive line and head coach were saying it was tipped. Those two, plus the missed fumble and holding calls, made it seem like the refs were biased towards the dwags. No one is going to convince you against your will, but there is sufficient evidence to suggest you might be wrong.

That missed hold was absolutely egregious. It could have easily been a facemask too.

 

[THWG]

No, that shouldn’t happen, for the following reasons:

1. it was wrong to do it to FSU
2. The backup QB for UGa led them effectively (whereas the backup for FSU didn’t) ergo they are less reliant one their QB other be competitive
3. not clear that it is a season ending injury (He was out there handing the ball off in OT)

The FSU backup led them to a win against a very good Louisville team last year. I would say he was as effective as Stockton. FSU's defense last year could have easily kept them in a playoff game. Once they all opted out against ugag, it was predictably going to be a bloodbath.

 

[Thwg777]

FWIW, this is my guess at the final bracket. I’m using implied odds to make this guess.

No. 1 Oregon

No. 2 u(sic)ga

No. 3 Boise State

No. 4 Arizona State

==============

No. 12 SMU vs. No. 5 Texas

No. 11 Clempson vs. No. 6 Notre Dame

No. 10 Indiana vs. No. 7 Penn State

No. 9 Tennessee vs. No. 8 Ohio State

===

Edit to add, the only uncertainty per the betting market appears to be No. 6/7 seeds. (I have ND/PSU in that order but it could be the other way around).

 

[Root4GT]

That missed hold was absolutely egregious. It could have easily been a facemask too.

That was the worst non call in the Game.

 

[Root4GT]

I think the larger point was that it clearly presented as a possible target, but did not get a full review as it should have. Just as their should have been a full review on the potential tip when our defensive line and head coach were saying it was tipped. Those two, plus the missed fumble and holding calls, made it seem like the refs were biased towards the dwags. No one is going to convince you against your will, but there is sufficient evidence to suggest you might be wrong.

I note no one here comments on the clear PI the GT DB committed on the UGA receiver in one of the OTs that caused an incompletion. PI like Targeting is a judgement call. GT got the benefit on that call.

GT fans notice the calls that go against us. That is natural. All fan bases do that. The missed Holding Call was the worst call of the bunch.

Longer reviews would have made the GT fan base feel better but very unlikely have changed anything on the Targeting or Tipped ball. There was a long review after the targeting/fumble play. The fumble and recovery were clear as can be so the review had to be focused on something else. As no flag was thrown for Targeting there was no need to announce Targeting was reviewed.

A longer review on the possible tipped ball would have been good for the viewers for sure.

 

[Eli]

I note no one here comments on the clear PI the GT DB committed on the UGA receiver in one of the OTs that caused an incompletion. PI like Targeting is a judgement call. GT got the benefit on that call.

GT fans notice the calls that go against us. That is natural. All fan bases do that. The missed Holding Call was the worst call of the bunch.

Longer reviews would have made the GT fan base feel better but very unlikely have changed anything on the Targeting or Tipped ball. There was a long review after the targeting/fumble play. The fumble and recovery were clear as can be so the review had to be focused on something else. As no flag was thrown for Targeting there was no need to announce Targeting was reviewed.

A longer review on the possible tipped ball would have been good for the viewers for sure.

Bro you were in agreement was another poster that UGA would dominate that game. Go somewhere else or just change your name to Root4UGA

 

[forensicbuzz]

No, that shouldn’t happen, for the following reasons:

1. it was wrong to do it to FSU
2. The backup QB for UGa led them effectively (whereas the backup for FSU didn’t) ergo they are less reliant one their QB other be competitive
3. not clear that it is a season ending injury (He was out there handing the ball off in OT)

The FSU backup did just fine in beating Florida. It was the 3rd string QB that was ineffective against Louisville. The 2nd string QB was going to be back by the time the playoff would have been. So, you’re #2 is not accurate.

 

[leatherneckjacket]

I note no one here comments on the clear PI the GT DB committed on the UGA receiver in one of the OTs that caused an incompletion. PI like Targeting is a judgement call. GT got the benefit on that call.

GT fans notice the calls that go against us. That is natural. All fan bases do that. The missed Holding Call was the worst call of the bunch.

Longer reviews would have made the GT fan base feel better but very unlikely have changed anything on the Targeting or Tipped ball. There was a long review after the targeting/fumble play. The fumble and recovery were clear as can be so the review had to be focused on something else. As no flag was thrown for Targeting there was no need to announce Targeting was reviewed.

A longer review on the possible tipped ball would have been good for the viewers for sure.

I am not here to litigate individal calls with you, but I never said anything about "missed PI against us", because it is not my point. In fact, I did not complain about PI called against us, which was questionable. My point was that it should have been given a full review by the refs and the viewers on tv to see if the ball had been tipped. To be clear, you also do not know the extent they reviewed the targeting. However, a full review was never announced, which suggests it was never given one.

While it may be hard to overcome one's own bias, there is sufficient evidence to suggest that in this game we may have been hosed. There are plenty of objective, non biased third parties who think we got robbed by the refs. Either way, your insistence that the complaints are just pro GT bias is just wrong.

 

[bke1984]

Bro you were in agreement was another poster that UGA would dominate that game. Go somewhere else or just change your name to Root4UGA

He also said we had zero chance against uGA to begin with in the week leading up to the game. His takes are pretty horrible and simply align with talking heads in college football.