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<blockquote data-quote="Squints" data-source="post: 303963" data-attributes="member: 822"><p>Are you saying they have an agenda then? I'm sorry I'm just trying to nail down by what you mean by statements like "you can see from the data they are ignoring right in front of them" and "it colors everything they do." It comes off as very accusatory to me.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It doesn't support or contradict that narrative. There is zero examination of causation here. All it says is that post-SRS individuals are a risk group. No more, no less. Sure the increased suicide attempts (and other issues) could be from some sort of deeper damage as a result of being transgender that SRS doesn't address. But they could also be a result of emotional and mental damage these people have endured via external factors pre-SRS and the surgery alone was not enough to overcome it. We can't know from the data here. We can agree in that the study says more post-surgery treatment is needed. That's obvious. But it doesn't say why nor does it attempt to. It also doesn't necessarily imply "doing it wrong." It could mean "not effective enough." That would take another study from within the population. Anything beyond that is speculation which anyone is free to do but like I said before don't hold up a study and claim its saying what it isn't. Which is what it looks like you're doing. If not, my bad. </p><p></p><p>I guess the one sentence of what I'm saying is that the data in the study doesn't say you're wrong but it doesn't say you're right either.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes, that's because there is nothing in the actual data that addresses what you're talking about.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It's possible our search results are different because I just googled both of those exact quotes and no public announcements from either organization were on the first two pages of my results. I'll take your word for it though.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Squints, post: 303963, member: 822"] Are you saying they have an agenda then? I'm sorry I'm just trying to nail down by what you mean by statements like "you can see from the data they are ignoring right in front of them" and "it colors everything they do." It comes off as very accusatory to me. It doesn't support or contradict that narrative. There is zero examination of causation here. All it says is that post-SRS individuals are a risk group. No more, no less. Sure the increased suicide attempts (and other issues) could be from some sort of deeper damage as a result of being transgender that SRS doesn't address. But they could also be a result of emotional and mental damage these people have endured via external factors pre-SRS and the surgery alone was not enough to overcome it. We can't know from the data here. We can agree in that the study says more post-surgery treatment is needed. That's obvious. But it doesn't say why nor does it attempt to. It also doesn't necessarily imply "doing it wrong." It could mean "not effective enough." That would take another study from within the population. Anything beyond that is speculation which anyone is free to do but like I said before don't hold up a study and claim its saying what it isn't. Which is what it looks like you're doing. If not, my bad. I guess the one sentence of what I'm saying is that the data in the study doesn't say you're wrong but it doesn't say you're right either. Yes, that's because there is nothing in the actual data that addresses what you're talking about. It's possible our search results are different because I just googled both of those exact quotes and no public announcements from either organization were on the first two pages of my results. I'll take your word for it though. [/QUOTE]
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