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<blockquote data-quote="vamosjackets" data-source="post: 302674" data-attributes="member: 216"><p>You don't have to do any of that to claim you're a woman for those on that side of the issue. If someone was willing to literally mutilate their genitalia, then my issue with it would be moot. Someone with a "johnson" shouldn't be able to go into the shower room with my daughter. The point is it should be based on something objective/scientific rather than feelings. Birth certificate is objective at least, but I wouldn't be opposed to say it's based on anatomy rather than birth certificate. But, that's not what the other side is arguing. They want it to be totally subjective and based on the individual's choice rather than societal norms (aka scientific, biological, anatomical norms). </p><p>And, if that's the rationale they want for bathrooms, what is the justification for making it different for sports?</p><p></p><p>Isn't the policy you seem to be advocating in your last statement doing just what that statement condemns? Let's take .001% of the population's irrational thoughts and feelings and make a law that adversely affects everyone based on that irrationality. </p><p></p><p>When you know people who have been raped in bathrooms (and you have daughters) the policy is important.</p><p></p><p>Do you really not think it makes a lot of economic sense for a guy who is really good at a sport, but not quite good enough to make it to the professional ranks to go into the women's ranks?</p><p></p><p>Also, take it the other way (and this has already happened in wrestling), a girl wants to compete in boys competition. She's allowed to take testosterone, while it is illegal for the males. Sound fair to you? It's time to do what you suggested and stop making policy based on irrationality and worse-case scenarios.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="vamosjackets, post: 302674, member: 216"] You don't have to do any of that to claim you're a woman for those on that side of the issue. If someone was willing to literally mutilate their genitalia, then my issue with it would be moot. Someone with a "johnson" shouldn't be able to go into the shower room with my daughter. The point is it should be based on something objective/scientific rather than feelings. Birth certificate is objective at least, but I wouldn't be opposed to say it's based on anatomy rather than birth certificate. But, that's not what the other side is arguing. They want it to be totally subjective and based on the individual's choice rather than societal norms (aka scientific, biological, anatomical norms). And, if that's the rationale they want for bathrooms, what is the justification for making it different for sports? Isn't the policy you seem to be advocating in your last statement doing just what that statement condemns? Let's take .001% of the population's irrational thoughts and feelings and make a law that adversely affects everyone based on that irrationality. When you know people who have been raped in bathrooms (and you have daughters) the policy is important. Do you really not think it makes a lot of economic sense for a guy who is really good at a sport, but not quite good enough to make it to the professional ranks to go into the women's ranks? Also, take it the other way (and this has already happened in wrestling), a girl wants to compete in boys competition. She's allowed to take testosterone, while it is illegal for the males. Sound fair to you? It's time to do what you suggested and stop making policy based on irrationality and worse-case scenarios. [/QUOTE]
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