Belichick to UNC

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Northeast Stinger said:
Agree, it’s close.

But the thought experiment proposed above would eliminate entirely the notion of an athlete graduating with a degree. The focus would be on getting an athlete ready for the pros in two years or less.
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This is the most, and really only, interesting part of this thought experiment to me, and it begs the question, why would a team consisting of 100% mercenary, minor league pro players be allowed to remain affiliated in any way with a university… you know… an academic institution? In my opinion, such a team shouldn’t be allowed to be affiliated with a university.

I know the example laid out in the thought experiment represents the extreme end of the spectrum where literally the entire team is made up of non-student athletes, so my opinion, that such a team should not be allowed to be affiliated with a university, will be hand waived away with the argument that, in reality, only a portion of any given team’s roster will consist of non-student athlete, mercenary pros, and that there will still be a lot of players whose main interest is in getting a college degree. I say that’s just a feeble feel good argument if all of the motivations, incentives, and rewards of the system tend to endorse non-student athlete mercenary pros over student athletes, meaning the system will trend towards this extreme over time.
 
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gte447f said:
This is the most, and really only, interesting part of this thought experiment to me, and it begs the question, why would a team consisting of 100% mercenary, minor league pro players be allowed to remain affiliated in any way with a university… you know… an academic institution? In my opinion, such a team shouldn’t be allowed to be affiliated with a university.

I know the example laid out in the thought experiment represents the extreme end of the spectrum where literally the entire team is made up of non-student athletes, so my opinion, that such a team should not be allowed to be affiliated with a university, will be hand waived away with the argument that, in reality, only a portion of any given team’s roster will consist of non-student athlete, mercenary pros, and that there will still be a lot of players whose main interest is in getting a college degree. I say that’s just a feeble feel good argument if all of the motivations, incentives, and rewards of the system tend to endorse non-student athlete mercenary pros over student athletes, meaning the system will trend towards this extreme over time.
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Yes, I think you captured the point of this thought experiment. Some programs are already headed this way while pretending otherwise. What happens when some school finally drops all pretense and says, “Let’s be honest about what this is we’re doing”? The ancillary question is whether finally dropping the pretense makes the “pro side of things” more focused and effective.

You wonder if the NCAA would step in at some point and say every team must have at least two starters who actually go to class.
 
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Oldgoldandwhite said:
If UNC can outbid Clemson, Miami, FSU, BAMA, UGAG, LSU, Texas, and the like. Look out. Because Belliceck will out coach them.
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Could be.

But, the argument, I think some are making is that coaching a college kid is a different “technique” than coaching a pro. I think I saw where Tom Brady was dubious of someone like him being able to manage these younger hormonal temperaments. He certainly will have the Xs and Os down pat but the “political” side of a college locker room may be beyond his expertise.

I’m kind of excited to see how it works out.
 

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CFB is definitely becoming pro and pro players are treated different than college by the coaches. I've heard players talk about how different it is between the two. For me it is going to be interesting how the dynamics end up playing out within this new system and within each program.

There was an interesting comment made by Bellichek about not liking where the pros have gotten themselves and what is going on there. I have had an opinion for a while that the pros might have a lot of problems upoming, have wondered if eventually the new CFB might take the place of the pros, way too early to tell.
 

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None of this would have happened if the Falcons would have done the right thing and hired him this year.

Terrible franchise. Owner is terrible.
 

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GTThor said:
None of this would have happened if the Falcons would have done the right thing and hired him this year.

Terrible franchise. Owner is terrible.
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There were reasons morris was the pick. not good ones but reasons. (namely he had been here before and blank doesn't want to fire fortenot.)
 

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jgtengineer said:
There were reasons morris was the pick. not good ones but reasons. (namely he had been here before and blank doesn't want to fire fortenot.)
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Like I said before, owner is terrible. Worried about the wrong things. Cares about everything but winning.
 
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There's a few examples to look at for coaches who took a pro game to college. There's Charlie Weis, who underperformed everywhere. There's Chan Gailey, who performed OK, took time to learn the ropes, but never achieved what fans hope for.

There's Saban, who exceeded all expectations and rewrote the book.

There's kind of Deion, who hasn't been the disaster that some predicted or the revolution that others predicted, but seems to be towards the upper end. Colorado went from a wreck of a team to just outside the top 25 in the two years he's been there, and he got press and attention and a Heisman winner.

I think Belichick will get money into the program, good coaches, and a lot more discipline than Deion. UNC will be better.

Also, how could Brown mess up his defense THAT BADLY?
 

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gte447f said:
This is the most, and really only, interesting part of this thought experiment to me, and it begs the question, why would a team consisting of 100% mercenary, minor league pro players be allowed to remain affiliated in any way with a university… you know… an academic institution? In my opinion, such a team shouldn’t be allowed to be affiliated with a university.

I know the example laid out in the thought experiment represents the extreme end of the spectrum where literally the entire team is made up of non-student athletes, so my opinion, that such a team should not be allowed to be affiliated with a university, will be hand waived away with the argument that, in reality, only a portion of any given team’s roster will consist of non-student athlete, mercenary pros, and that there will still be a lot of players whose main interest is in getting a college degree. I say that’s just a feeble feel good argument if all of the motivations, incentives, and rewards of the system tend to endorse non-student athlete mercenary pros over student athletes, meaning the system will trend towards this extreme over time.
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I think we all might be shocked at the percentage of players that are there because it is a means to an end and that end is getting to Sundays. Yes for some the education is important but today it's about the pro money potential for most.
I'm one that believes higher education is headed for some really big change in the future and will look very, very different in the future from what we know today, also think it will end up greatly downsized in this change. Could I be wrong, yes I could but I don't think so. This change I could see sitting on a new basis, different driving forces in it's being, but we'll see.
Those forces and new CFB may very well fit together.
I'm sensing the pros have some tough issues coming up that they are going to have to face, think Bellichek may have touched on that in one of his recent comments about what the pros have become or something to that effect.
 
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bke1984 said:
Lol ok. Until they go 3-9 next year and 4-8 the year after.

Bill Bellichik has done nothing to show me he knows how to identify with a 19 year old kid. This theory that you just throw money around and win is such a joke. All of this will normalize in the next couple of years to something that actually makes sense. By the time that happens uNC will have yet another head coach (that probably still can’t beat Georgia Tech).
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NFL rookies aren’t that much older, really. Most are 21-22 years old.
 
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slugboy said:
There's a few examples to look at for coaches who took a pro game to college. There's Charlie Weis, who underperformed everywhere. There's Chan Gailey, who performed OK, took time to learn the ropes, but never achieved what fans hope for.

There's Saban, who exceeded all expectations and rewrote the book.

There's kind of Deion, who hasn't been the disaster that some predicted or the revolution that others predicted, but seems to be towards the upper end. Colorado went from a wreck of a team to just outside the top 25 in the two years he's been there, and he got press and attention and a Heisman winner.

I think Belichick will get money into the program, good coaches, and a lot more discipline than Deion. UNC will be better.

Also, how could Brown mess up his defense THAT BADLY?
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Can you really count saban? He was a college coach with a NC at LSU before being a HC in the NFL.

I know he was a dc in the nfl prior to his stint at Michigan state, but he really wasn’t a successful nfl hc like Gailey

I mean I could be wrong or missing what you mean about a “pro game”
 
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