Belichick to UNC

[Tech Lawyer]

It's possible he may not even coach one game in college:

Wow, he really wants to Coach at UNC? This clause is an insult to UNC. The AD Bubba Cunningham was out of options when he agreed to this. If the Coach leaves ( and he will leave if the NFL calls) - Cunningham is out and UNC will hand over the Interim HC to Kitchens. Talk about what this disaster scenario would look like for UNC?

 

[1979jacket]

Great question.

As I understand your concept, it would only work, if it would work at all, if you said up front this was exactly what you were doing and everyone at the university was 100% on board with this approach. There could be no pretending that this was anything other than an NFL training camp. And you would straighten out anyone, including the press, who tried to discuss it in any other way.

Deion's approach is close to this. He does not visit recruits. They have to come to the school.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...lorado-recruiting-no-home-visits/73044384007/

 

[TechPhi97]

Some excerpts from an USA article concerning the Belichick's contract. Full article below if interested.

The University of North Carolina has agreed to pay new football coach Bill Belichick $10 million a year, according to a term sheet the university released Thursday afternoon.

While the agreement is for five years, only the first three years’ pay is guaranteed in case Belichick is fired without cause.

Belichick’s deal also provides him with a $100,000 expense annual expense account and the possibility of getting $3.5 million a year in bonuses. Among the bonuses, a total of $250,000 looks to be routinely attainable: $150,000 for the team playing in a non-CFP bowl game, which generally requires a record of at least 6-6 (UNC's record this season), and $100,000 for the team having a single-year NCAA Academic Progress Rate figure of 950 to 969 (the team has exceeded 950 in each of the past three years).

--$10 million as an "assistant coach salary pool." (This season, UNC is paying nearly $7.4 to its 10 primary assistants, according to information obtained from the school by USA TODAY Sports. The NCAA Division I Council this past summer eliminated its 10-person limit on the number on-field assistant coaches at schools other than service academies.)

--$1 million for strength and conditioning staff.

--$5.3 million for support staff, including funding for a new general manager position with pay "not to exceed $1.5 million." During a news conference Thursday, Belichick said that role will be taken by Mike Lombardi, a former NFL executive. Alabama GM Courtney Morgan is due to make $825,000 next season.

--$13 million as what the term sheet called "revenue sharing.” This is presumably a figure that represents the total amount of money the university plans to pay to football players as consideration for the use of their name, image and likeness if a federal judge grants final approval in April to the proposed settlement of antitrust lawsuits against the NCAA and the Power Five conferences.


This article originally appeared on USA TODAY: Bill Belichick's salary at North Carolina: School releases football coach's contract details

MSN

One of the things they are going to have to fix - private schools have to report their revenue sharing budget. Unfair competition to not disclose.

 

[TechPhi97]

Deion's approach is close to this. He does not visit recruits. They have to come to the school.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...lorado-recruiting-no-home-visits/73044384007/

They had the 40th rated class this year. They can keep that approach.

 

[Northeast Stinger]

Deion's approach is close to this. He does not visit recruits. They have to come to the school.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...lorado-recruiting-no-home-visits/73044384007/

Agree, it’s close.

But the thought experiment proposed above would eliminate entirely the notion of an athlete graduating with a degree. The focus would be on getting an athlete ready for the pros in two years or less.

 

[bke1984]

Okay...just kicking an idea around here...

What if you had a coaching staff comprised of former NFL coaches with a track-record of success? And what if you built your college team EXCLUSIVELY around portal players that had the potential to play on Sunday. IOW, no freshmen. And what if you had enough NIL money to pay these players to come to your program?

This would mean that your staff would spend NO time on recruiting trips to high schools in Podunk, AL but would focus entirely on getting kids ready for the NFL.

IOW, suppose you built a "finishing school" for future pros.

1. Would this approach attract kids in the portal?
2. Would this translate into enough wins on Saturday to keep the alumni happy?
3. Is this what Belichick is proposing to do at UNC?

You would build what looks to be an incredible team on paper that would lose at an alarming clip.

Winning in football requires a lot of stuff to go right. Simply hand picking a bunch of talented players to fill a roster sounds great, but now they have zero experience playing together and zero established culture. Maybe you get lucky and they all just click, but I feel it’s far more likely that it’s a train wreck in year one and a significant portion of the roster turns over in the portal immediately and you’re right back where you started.

Now, if you could lock them in with contracts it might be a better experiment. But to do so requires contracts that explicitly state pay for play, which is technically against the rules (even though that’s what all this is).

They’re going to try it. I guess we will see. But i really think it’s going to be a disaster.

 

[Randy Carson]

You would build what looks to be an incredible team on paper that would lose at an alarming clip.

Winning in football requires a lot of stuff to go right. Simply hand picking a bunch of talented players to fill a roster sounds great, but now they have zero experience playing together and zero established culture. Maybe you get lucky and they all just click, but I feel it’s far more likely that it’s a train wreck in year one and a significant portion of the roster turns over in the portal immediately and you’re right back where you started.

Now, if you could lock them in with contracts it might be a better experiment. But to do so requires contracts that explicitly state pay for play, which is technically against the rules (even though that’s what all this is).

They’re going to try it. I guess we will see. But i really think it’s going to be a disaster.

I agree, and this has been my argument against the one-and-done phenomenon in college basketball.

Showing my age, I'll use the example of Mark Price and John Salley; they were not highly touted recruits when they arrived on campus, but four years later, they came within one off night by Price of cutting down the nets. But that took time to develop.

Contrast that with one of the most notable one-and-done players in recent ACC memory, Zion Williamson, who was a great individual player, but Duke failed to get to the Final Four. While Duke fans remember Zion positively, he's not held in the same regard as Johnny Dawkins or Christian Laettner who played four years in Durham.

So, I agree with your analysis, but we'll have to wait a few months to see how this plays out at UNC. FWIW, I've long believed Carolina is a sleeping giant in CFB, and if they EVER get things going in the right direction, they could EASILY be on par with UGA and Ohio State, etc. North Carolina is one of the top states for high school talent, and UNC is the flagship program in the university system.

 

[Northeast Stinger]

I agree, and this has been my argument against the one-and-done phenomenon in college basketball.

Showing my age, I'll use the example of Mark Price and John Salley; they were not highly touted recruits when they arrived on campus, but four years later, they came within one off night by Price of cutting down the nets. But that took time to develop.

Contrast that with one of the most notable one-and-done players in recent ACC memory, Zion Williamson, who was a great individual player, but Duke failed to get to the Final Four. While Duke fans remember Zion positively, he's not held in the same regard as Johnny Dawkins or Christian Laettner who played four years in Durham.

So, I agree with your analysis, but we'll have to wait a few months to see how this plays out at UNC. FWIW, I've long believed Carolina is a sleeping giant in CFB, and if they EVER get things going in the right direction, they could EASILY be on par with UGA and Ohio State, etc. North Carolina is one of the top states for high school talent, and UNC is the flagship program in the university system.

Interesting.

Sleeping giant. I wonder.

So, as we know, the best college football talent comes from four states, California, Florida, Georgia, Texas. Teams like Auburn, Alabama and LSU, need to recruit from these states to supplement their home grown talent.

Where does homegrown talent in North Carolina line up with states like Virginia, Louisiana, Alabama and Mississippi? I haven’t looked at this in years.

Academics is also a puzzle. Chapel Hill enjoys a good academic reputation outside of its sports programs.

Sleeping giant, hmmm.

 

[4shotB]

I agree, and this has been my argument against the one-and-done phenomenon in college basketball.

Showing my age, I'll use the example of Mark Price and John Salley; they were not highly touted recruits when they arrived on campus, but four years later, they came within one off night by Price of cutting down the nets. But that took time to develop.

Contrast that with one of the most notable one-and-done players in recent ACC memory, Zion Williamson, who was a great individual player, but Duke failed to get to the Final Four. While Duke fans remember Zion positively, he's not held in the same regard as Johnny Dawkins or Christian Laettner who played four years in Durham.

So, I agree with your analysis, but we'll have to wait a few months to see how this plays out at UNC. FWIW, I've long believed Carolina is a sleeping giant in CFB, and if they EVER get things going in the right direction, they could EASILY be on par with UGA and Ohio State, etc. North Carolina is one of the top states for high school talent, and UNC is the flagship program in the university system.

Otoh, NC talent is not Ga, Tx, OH, Fl etc. talent and they split it up with so many other schools in the state. This is not a GT - Uga situation. The NCSU / UNC situation is more equivalent to FSU/ UF , UT/ TAMU or Miss/Miss State in that the footing is more equivalent. Outside of a few good years every now and again they have been meh. And that covers a lot of coaches. They are just another South Carolina imo, just one state up.

 

[Randy Carson]

Interesting.

Sleeping giant. I wonder.

So, as we know, the best college football talent comes from four states, California, Florida, Georgia, Texas. Teams like Auburn, Alabama and LSU, need to recruit from these states to supplement their home grown talent.

Where does homegrown talent in North Carolina line up with states like Virginia, Louisiana, Alabama and Mississippi? I haven’t looked at this in years.

Academics is also a puzzle. Chapel Hill enjoys a good academic reputation outside of its sports programs.

Sleeping giant, hmmm.

I may have over-stated North Carolina's high school talent pool. According to one site:

"The Lone Star State leads all states with 211 active NFL players as of 2022 — around 8.3% of all players in the league. California ranks second with 151, while Florida ranks third with 149. North Carolina (121) and Alabama (109) round out the top five. Alabama leads all schools with 58 active NFL players, with LSU (52), Ohio State (52) and Georgia all in the 40+ club."

However, 247 and On3 do not rate NC very highly on the prospects scale. So, I'm uncertain about this.

 

[Northeast Stinger]

Otoh, NC talent is not Ga, Tx, OH, Fl etc. talent and they split it up with so many other schools in the state. This is not a GT - Uga situation. The NCSU / UNC situation is more equivalent to FSU/ UF , UT/ TAMU or Miss/Miss State in that the footing is more equivalent. Outside of a few good years every now and again they have been meh. And that covers a lot of coaches. They are just another South Carolina imo, just one state up.

Tend to agree with you (see my post above) but I’m open to hearing our UNC might be the next Alabama with the right coach. Don’t get me wrong, I’m highly skeptical, but it’s an interesting thought.

Alabama won a national championship roughly 100 years ago when they caught lighting in a bottle. They managed to attract a string of good to great coaches after that and the rest is history. The state of Alabama has lots of decent talent but obviously going out of state and cherry picking talent is a must. Same for Auburn. If UNC had developed a legacy of great coaches and national championships would they be the equivalent of Alabama today? Is this still possible with the right coach?

Always wondered what the systemic reasons were that held UNC back. Now I’m wondering how much dumb luck had to do with it.

 

[Randy Carson]

Otoh, NC talent is not Ga, Tx, OH, Fl etc. talent and they split it up with so many other schools in the state. This is not a GT - Uga situation. The NCSU / UNC situation is more equivalent to FSU/ UF , UT/ TAMU or Miss/Miss State in that the footing is more equivalent. Outside of a few good years every now and again they have been meh. And that covers a lot of coaches. They are just another South Carolina imo, just one state up.

"Just another South Carolina"?

Have you ever been to Chapel Hill or Columbia? Where would you rather live if you had to choose between the two? In just the past few weeks, folks on this board have been calling out Columbia as a lousy place for ADJB to move his family.

How do the schools compare academically? This IS more of a Tech-UGA comparison with UNC getting the favorable nod by a considerable consensus.

How many national titles has each school won?

The University of South Carolina has won 11 national championships across various sports (baseball, women's basketball, track, etc.).

The University of North Carolina (UNC) has won a total of 47 NCAA team national championships across various sports, according to NCAA records. This includes:

• 22 in Women's Soccer
• 6 in Men's Basketball
• 3 in Women's Lacrosse
• 2 in Men's Soccer
• 1 in Women's Tennis
• Plus titles in men's golf, swimming, and others

All that said, my point is that if UNC ever gets its act together on the gridiron, they will be formidable.

That's just my opinion, of course.

 

[4shotB]

Tend to agree with you (see my post above) but I’m open to hearing our UNC might be the next Alabama with the right coach. Don’t get me wrong, I’m highly skeptical, but it’s an interesting thought.

Alabama won a national championship roughly 100 years ago when they caught lighting in a bottle. They managed to attract a string of good to great coaches after that and the rest is history. The state of Alabama has lots of decent talent but obviously going out of state and cherry picking talent is a must. Same for Auburn. If UNC had developed a legacy of great coaches and national championships would they be the equivalent of Alabama today? Is this still possible with the right coach?

Always wondered what the systemic reasons were that held UNC back. Now I’m wondering how much dumb luck had to do with it.

I don’t have all ( or maybe even any) answers to these questions but for whatever reason it appears that if you achieve “blue blood” status in a major sport it tends to draw all or most of your energy and resources. Think IU, Ky, UNC and Duke in hoops and Bama, OSU, Oklahoma, etc. in FB. I think you can point to some moments of success in basketball for some of the fb schools for obvious reason. But no school has been a consistent heavyweight in both over time. So it’s a lot of history and setting priorities over decades. As I said, it is much easier for a fb school to elevate bb than vice versa ( fewer players needed).

 

[Randy Carson]

I don’t have all ( or maybe even any) answers to these questions but for whatever reason it appears that if you achieve “blue blood” status in a major sport it tends to draw all or most of your energy and resources. Think IU, Ky, UNC and Duke in hoops and Bama, OSU, Oklahoma, etc. in FB. I think you can point to some moments of success in basketball for some of the fb schools for obvious reason. But no school has been a consistent heavyweight in both over time. So it’s a lot of history and setting priorities over decades. As I said, it is much easier for a fb school to elevate bb than vice versa ( fewer players needed).

And the revenue from football makes it easier to hire top coaches and pay NIL to top players.

Everything we've known in the past is disappearing quickly.

 

[4shotB]

I wasn’t comparing the schools in anything other than what I perceive their ceiling as a fb program is. National titles in country club sports such as golf, lacrosse and soccer don’t correlate very well to success in football and again, there are other schools that win basketball championships that can’t carry that over to fb. UNC may be a sleeping giant but I am going to have to see it to believe it.

 

[slugboy]

Tom Brady, Gronk, and Edelman had some doubts on Belichick‘s temperament translating to college

Tom Brady issues brutal response to Bill Belichick's college coaching chances

Tom Brady conceded that he can't imagine Bill Belichick coaching at the collegiate level after reports revealed that the ex-Patriots HC has been in talks with UNC

www.themirror.com

His son is likely to be the DC; TFG is likely to move on

 

[LargeFO]

Ma

Tom Brady, Gronk, and Edelman had some doubts on Belichick‘s temperament translating to college

Tom Brady issues brutal response to Bill Belichick's college coaching chances

Tom Brady conceded that he can't imagine Bill Belichick coaching at the collegiate level after reports revealed that the ex-Patriots HC has been in talks with UNC

www.themirror.com

His son is likely to be the DC; TFG is likely to move on

He will leave with an elite D performance against James Madison.

 

[bobongo]

Ma


He will leave with an elite D performance against James Madison.

On to the next town...

 

[Thwg777]

Hopefully even Geeoff is smart enough to know he won't be able to bull**** a guy like Belichek (but I wonder too). I would pay to be a fly on the wall when those two meet/

 

[TechPhi97]

I may have over-stated North Carolina's high school talent pool. According to one site:

"The Lone Star State leads all states with 211 active NFL players as of 2022 — around 8.3% of all players in the league. California ranks second with 151, while Florida ranks third with 149. North Carolina (121) and Alabama (109) round out the top five. Alabama leads all schools with 58 active NFL players, with LSU (52), Ohio State (52) and Georgia all in the 40+ club."

However, 247 and On3 do not rate NC very highly on the prospects scale. So, I'm uncertain about this.

Compare to population.