Are wr's coached to push off?

[dressedcheeseside]

I see it time and time again. Sometimes it's called, but most of the time not. Calvin was notorious for it and never got flagged.

I guess if both guys are pulling and grabbing each other it's allowed by the refs?

 

[GTRanj]

I see it time and time again. Sometimes it's called, but most of the time not. Calvin was notorious for it and never got flagged.

I guess if both guys are pulling and grabbing each other it's allowed by the refs?

My guess would be yes. Nobody plays fully within the rules. I see constantly dbs pushing past the 5 yard rule so fair is fair. When I played soccer, coach always had little cheap tricks on set pieces like pull their shorts a little when they jump up for a header. Coaches will never admit to it, but they do. If I'm the wr coach, I say play to stay competitive. If they don't stay fully within the rules, you do your cheap stuff as long as you can get away with it. Sounds bad, but if they are getting away with it, you're putting yourself at a disadvantage by not leveling the field yourself.

 

[zhavenor]

My guess would be yes. Nobody plays fully within the rules. I see constantly dbs pushing past the 5 yard rule so fair is fair. When I played soccer, coach always had little cheap tricks on set pieces like pull their shorts a little when they jump up for a header. Coaches will never admit to it, but they do. If I'm the wr coach, I say play to stay competitive. If they don't stay fully within the rules, you do your cheap stuff as long as you can get away with it. Sounds bad, but if they are getting away with it, you're putting yourself at a disadvantage by not leveling the field yourself.

Dbs can make contact after 5 yds in college and high school. Its the NFL where they cannot.

 

[GTRanj]

Dbs can make contact after 5 yds in college and high school. Its the NFL where they cannot.

You are correct. I also meant it as when a corner is side to side with the receiver and they still make contact. In college they can only make contact if the play is in front of them. But you are absolutely right about the difference in college and nfl

 

[zhavenor]

You are correct. I also meant it as when a corner is side to side with the receiver and they still make contact. In college they can only make contact if the play is in front of them. But you are absolutely right about the difference in college and nfl

Ah wasn't thinking of the statement that way. The biggest problem I have with playing within the gray area of the rules is the possibility of becoming reliant of playing in that area. If you do and the officials calling it much closer to the actual rules then you are screwed.

 

[alagold]

I don't care what they do but SOMETHING has been done.Watching the film of spg game,the WRs seemed to get zero separation on plays.If fact,the def looked to be overshifting to strong side always leaving WR 1 on 1 on the other side.If we had a real WR it would a good opportunity for Offense but not here.(btw--our CBs are not proven guys either so it really surprising/disheartening.)
--and maybe a template for how we will be played in Fall

 

[g0lftime]

I have wondered why our dbs tend to not play tight man-to-man and chip the tight end when we blitz. They get rid of the ball very quickly, and our db seems to be 5 yards off them. I would think we would want to play tight coverages when we blitz to take away the quick pass. I figure it is TR's plan to try and keep the receivers in front of the dbs and just give up the short stuff. It sure seems we give up a lot of third down stops by doing this. Do we not have good coverage guys or is TR afraid of giving up the big play. The biggest difference I saw between 2014 and 2015 defense was we got several big time interceptions that went for TD's or stopped drives in 2014 and we did not get that in 2015. VT game was good example in 2014. We should have lost that game except for interceptions late.

 

[GTMom]

They need to and they need to turn around and watch the ball, too!

 

[Scubapro]

Two things...not sure if they are coached to push off but there are lots of tricks to gain separation including pushing off without being blatant ... the staff should know and teach all of these tricks...along those lines I cant stand how our DBs play so far off...that gives teams that rely on a timing based passing game, Clem n son UNCheat and Puke, a huge advantage. The best way to defeat this is to jam the receivers at the line of scrimmage..this is one reason why we bean Clem n son when Groh was the DC.

 

[33jacket]

yes they are totally taught to separate. You craft that skill by not extending your arms so you don't get called, but you are taught when a db is close to you, depending on your move (are you running a 9 or a 5?); you use your hips, shouldn't or elbow to shoulder to separate. You practice it. and your are taught it. Its a legal and good technique too. You are allowed to should rub separate. You can't "bull" the guy, but in the art of making a football motion back to the ball or LOS, you can use your body to gain separation without overly initiating the contact. Then it won't get called and its basically legal.

Just like a DB can ride a WR out of bounds, or to the boundary, if he looks back and uses his butt....Both positions are entitled to position and how you establish that is the art.