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<blockquote data-quote="MWBATL" data-source="post: 716165" data-attributes="member: 944"><p>What this debate over the last few pages has shown us is that the disproportionate response to such situations merely exacerbates the battle lines and puts everyone deeper into their trenches.</p><p></p><p>imho, the difference, [USER=3498]@Dpjacket[/USER] , between what you are arguing and what others are saying is this:</p><ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">in other places (like Chicago) the police are actively trying to catch and jail offenders. In this case, the two guys were about to be let off scot free. (that is a HUGE difference)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">the media and some activists absolutely do harm with their exaggerated responses to situations like this. They make it sound like every black person is being hunted down. This was VERY unhelpful after Ferguson, Trayvon Martin, etc etc...and served to inflame passions and perpetuate stereotypes. That is sad and should be criticized.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">BUT, having said that, what I hear when I read [USER=11]@kg01[/USER]'s posts and what I hear for literally every black male friend I have is that there is a real issue underlying this. Much more subtle than it used to be, but an issue nevertheless. Too many solid decent black folk get stopped and questioned just because they are black and the criminal being looked for is black. In many cases they understand that crime is higher by blacks, but if you are trying to live a decent life and the American dream, having this kind of headwind just gets f***ing tired. And, every once in a blue moon, it can be dangerous. The fact that there are crazies out there isn't the issue. The fact that the criminal justice system doesn't respond to such craziness is the issue.</li> </ol></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MWBATL, post: 716165, member: 944"] What this debate over the last few pages has shown us is that the disproportionate response to such situations merely exacerbates the battle lines and puts everyone deeper into their trenches. imho, the difference, [USER=3498]@Dpjacket[/USER] , between what you are arguing and what others are saying is this: [LIST=1] [*]in other places (like Chicago) the police are actively trying to catch and jail offenders. In this case, the two guys were about to be let off scot free. (that is a HUGE difference) [*]the media and some activists absolutely do harm with their exaggerated responses to situations like this. They make it sound like every black person is being hunted down. This was VERY unhelpful after Ferguson, Trayvon Martin, etc etc...and served to inflame passions and perpetuate stereotypes. That is sad and should be criticized. [*]BUT, having said that, what I hear when I read [USER=11]@kg01[/USER]'s posts and what I hear for literally every black male friend I have is that there is a real issue underlying this. Much more subtle than it used to be, but an issue nevertheless. Too many solid decent black folk get stopped and questioned just because they are black and the criminal being looked for is black. In many cases they understand that crime is higher by blacks, but if you are trying to live a decent life and the American dream, having this kind of headwind just gets f***ing tired. And, every once in a blue moon, it can be dangerous. The fact that there are crazies out there isn't the issue. The fact that the criminal justice system doesn't respond to such craziness is the issue. [/LIST] [/QUOTE]
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