ACC Expansion

[85Escape]

Well, I guess it depends on what we call 'mid-career'. For me that's about 40 years old (65-22 = 33, 33/2 = ~17, 22 + 17 =~ 40.) Maybe one or two still earning 7 figures at that point. If you look at it over the the full career, I think you'd still find GT athletes doing better on average than UGA grads. Just my strong belief I guess, but I do have a nephew who was a professional athlete at the highest level who now works at a hardware store.

 

[LibertyTurns]

This thread has taught me some things. First, my niece, who is a UCF student, could have picked a better school. I did not realize how low her school was ranked and it makes me wonder if she simply wanted an easy ride. Clearly a lot of kids are doing what she did.

There’s only a small percentage of the population that knows the difference between GT and UCF. There’s a smaller percentage that cares.

Reality is we almost cannot hire UCF grads at my company because the skill level is so low. We’ve hired 2 in the past 3 years and both are struggling as they needed excessive OJT learning that you don’t have with UF, FSU, FIT, etc even USF for the most part.

The pecking order in this state puts UCF at the bottom of the big state schools. They’re there for a reason.

 

[MWBATL]

Tulane’s game with LSU had never even crossed my mind until you brought it up right there. It’s compelling from an ACC standpoint, but I’m not sure LSU would bite on it. Tulane beat LSU 5 times from the end of WW2 until 2009 when the game was halted. That’s good for a record of 5-56-3 since 1945. Should Tulane get into the ACC, LSU would probably balk at the idea of playing them just in case they lost. Maybe they could make it a big enough event at the Superdome where they would make enough money that they felt the reward was worth the risk, but I doubt it.

Getting into the NOLA market would be cool, but just like UGA and Atlanta, Tulane really has no control over that market. Their stadium seats 30,000 (1,500 smaller than Wake’s capacity) and it’s rarely ever full. It sold out when Tech opened it up in 2014, but has only had announced crowds greater than 25,000 seven other times, and hasn’t sold out since. Although, I’m sure the novelty of a NOLA trip for bigger ACC opponents could get more butts in seats more consistently. Also could help if more money helped get the program back to a more recognizable state.

For current G5 schools, Tulane is the only one that I would personally not be disappointed with as an addition. I don’t want any part of UCF, ECU, Cincy, UConn, Navy, etc.

LSU and Tulane stopped playing because it had become uncompetitive and because of $$$$.

First of all, LSU's Tiger Stadium is MUCH larger than the Superdome (95,000 vs 75,000) and the series was ended when LSU proposed that instead of home and home that all games be played in Tiger Stadium (where LSU would earn lots more money). By then LSU had won 18 games in a row in the series. Given the lack of interest Tulane's administration has shown in athletics, it is unlikely this game will ever be resumed.

 

[ChicagobasedJacket]

They have a ton in the NFL. Making over 5 million per year. I'd say the majority of our players DO NOT make our average mid career salary.

I think the original poster was saying that our players make more than SEC players and in particular UGA players mid career. The SEC has a lot of players in the NFL but do the numbers. Let’s just say mid career is 40. They have zero players in the NFL at 40. Using UGA as an example, they have 40 players total on nfl rosters at any given time whereas they have 85 on scholarship at all times. I think by age 40 our guys who graduate are making more too.

 

[boger2337]

I think the original poster was saying that our players make more than SEC players and in particular UGA players mid career. The SEC has a lot of players in the NFL but do the numbers. Let’s just say mid career is 40. They have zero players in the NFL at 40. Using UGA as an example, they have 40 players total on nfl rosters at any given time whereas they have 85 on scholarship at all times. I think by age 40 our guys who graduate are making more too.

But they aren't just taking no salary after 40. There is the NFL pension of 300k+ every year.

I'd be willing to bet GTs average mid-career salary for a former football player is around 6
50-65k where ugags is around 90k.

If they make 4 million a year over 8 years they would average 640k a year if you took that over a 50yr span. The NFL salary has to impact the average by a decent margin. They have 33 in the NFL currently with a minimum of 10 making over 8 million per year, and 2-3 making over 12 million a year. Stafford alone would average over 5 million per year over a 50 year span if you took his total nfl earnings on his latest guaranteed salary.

 

[ChicagobasedJacket]

But they aren't just taking no salary after 40. There is the NFL pension of 300k+ every year.

I'd be willing to bet GTs average mid-career salary for a former football player is around 6
50-65k where ugags is around 90k.

If they make 4 million a year over 8 years they would average 640k a year if you took that over a 50yr span. The NFL salary has to impact the average by a decent margin. They have 33 in the NFL currently with a minimum of 10 making over 8 million per year, and 2-3 making over 12 million a year. Stafford alone would average over 5 million per year over a 50 year span if you took his total nfl earnings on his latest guaranteed salary.

Idk where you saw a 300k a year pension but that’s not accurate at all. See https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/eagles/how-new-nfl-cba-helps-retired-players
Also, former players aren’t pension eligible until they turn 50 or 55.

I do see your point about the prior earnings though.

 

[boger2337]

Idk where you saw a 300k a year pension but that’s not accurate at all. See https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/eagles/how-new-nfl-cba-helps-retired-players

I see your point about the prior earnings though.

My understanding was if you played over 3 years in the league you got a 300k a year pension. Obviously I was given wrong info.

 

[85Escape]

My understanding was if you played over 3 years in the league you got a 300k a year pension. Obviously I was given wrong info.

Hence my comment about the nephew who stocks shelves at a local hardware company...And he was relatively smart with his $1MM signing bonus and salary. It was MLB and he played in the bigs for three years as a pitcher (relief specialist) before his second TJ. He gave up a full ride at UGA, so it's not a 100% correlation as he never got his college degree. But I think the outcome for him and many football players with useless degrees is the same. Hourly work.

*edit: he played three years in the bigs, not six as originally mentioned. He played pro ball for six years overall.

 

[Oldgoldandwhite]

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If we stayed in the SEC we would have minimum 6 national championships. Possibly as many as 8 or 9.

I calculate 3.

 

[forensicbuzz]

They are a dumpster fire right now, but UConn would be an interesting addition...considering that they are actually on the Atlantic Coast.
Womens basketball is tops. Men's basketball is hit or miss but has 3 NCs in 20 years. Football would be a mid tier team and wouldn't hurt us in recruiting one bit.
No idea on academics (does it really matter for an athletic conference?) but just a school I haven't heard anyone mention.

CT actually does not touch the Atlantic, so it's not on the Atlantic Coast. I went to HS in CT, on the Coast. UCONN sucks!

 

[forensicbuzz]

How about the National University of Ireland, if we are picking new schools based on enjoyable road trips. At least they have an Atlantic Coast and they are a heck of a lot better than UCF or UWV academically!

We would want to play the University of Limerick. My Father-in-Law was one of the founding faculty. They're the closest thing to us in Ireland and they're on the west coast.

 

[forensicbuzz]

But they aren't just taking no salary after 40. There is the NFL pension of 300k+ every year.

I'd be willing to bet GTs average mid-career salary for a former football player is around 6
50-65k where ugags is around 90k.

If they make 4 million a year over 8 years they would average 640k a year if you took that over a 50yr span. The NFL salary has to impact the average by a decent margin. They have 33 in the NFL currently with a minimum of 10 making over 8 million per year, and 2-3 making over 12 million a year. Stafford alone would average over 5 million per year over a 50 year span if you took his total nfl earnings on his latest guaranteed salary.

I think the point was excluding the pros. Why make it complicated?