ACC ESPN Contract extended

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About the brand fund and FSU and a contract partner



Here’s the content from McKenzie Law’s post (not from me, but I think some here value the perspective):

First and foremost, in thinking about an ACC settlement with FSU, I would not trust FSU for all the tea in China. It’s willingness to use sovereign immunity to weasel out of the Grant of Rights, the utterly legal weak positions it has taken over the Grant of Rights, the professionalism of its attorneys in serious legal pleadings and in oral arguments, and its truly institutional grandiosity about the pedigree of its football program and the institution itself makes it categorically radioactive as a contract partner. Indeed, if anything FSU’s leadership has taught us over the last 14 months, it’s that FSU is the epitome of an unreliable contract partner. FSU is so radioactive that it has nowhere to go but the Big 12, at best, and that suggestion may be a big stretch. Who would want to sign a contract with FSU when it acts like this, gets the Florida Attorney General involved, whines like a two-year old, and pants like a jilted high school boyfriend outside their ex's window? Clemson has been better in its approach in its equally loser case. It too is threatening sovereign immunity, but it has been far more reserved, and far less radioactive. I doubt the Tigers have anywhere to go, either. Otherwise, I am stuck on the “brand fund” proposal reported by ESPN’s
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. I am not stuck on ESPN’s timeous exercise of its option, but I am stuck on anything that would allow the FSU or Clemson to get a greater piece of the ACC distribution pie. The reason is that the core settlement proposal—shifting revenue distribution to a so-called “brand fund”—raises significant contract law concerns, particularly around consideration and pre-existing duty. 1. Pre-Existing Duty Rule & Consideration Issues A fundamental problem is that the ACC and its member institutions already have a binding contract—the Grant of Rights (GOR)—which explicitly outlines how media rights revenue is allocated. The proposal to introduce a “brand initiative” fund that disproportionately rewards schools like Clemson and FSU seems to modify this existing contract. However, under contract law, a modification generally requires new consideration. If the ACC merely shifts existing funds from a general distribution model to a weighted model favoring certain schools, what new consideration is being provided by the schools receiving a larger share?


Consideration requires a new legal detriment or benefit. Here, the ACC members who are not Clemson or FSU are giving up part of their share but receiving no corresponding benefit. If FSU and Clemson are not required to provide additional contractual obligations (such as extending their GOR commitment), then this modification could be challenged as unenforceable under the pre-existing duty rule. There is some caselaw that supports the notion that dismissal of a lawsuit can provide the needed consideration, but I’ve never seen that for frivolous ones making ridiculous arguments like FSU and Clemson. 2. Unenforceability Without a Fully Egalitarian Structure For the modification to withstand legal scrutiny, it would need to apply in an objectively fair manner. As currently described, this fund would disproportionately benefit certain schools based on past brand value. That raises concerns under contract principles that require modifications to be based on clear, non-arbitrary standards. Ambiguous Metrics: What constitutes “brand value”? If the ACC does not define this metric in an objective and binding way, there’s room for legal disputes. Unequal Bargaining Power:If the modification results in an unbalanced structure where certain schools receive substantially more revenue without additional obligations, the conference could face future legal disputes from other schools that find themselves disadvantaged.

3. The Risk of Future Litigation Rather than stabilizing the conference, this could open the door to future disputes. Schools not favored by the new distribution model—such as Wake Forest, Boston College, or even new members like Stanford and Cal—could argue that the ACC is failing in its fiduciary duty to distribute revenues equitably. Additionally, precedent matters. If FSU and Clemson can strong-arm the ACC into modifying its agreements once, what stops them—or another powerful program—from doing it again when financial realities shift? From a contract law standpoint, the ACC needs to be careful. If they’re going to modify revenue distribution in this way, they must ensure: 1. New consideration is being provided. 2. Objective, quantifiable metrics govern revenue allocation. 3. All schools have a reasonable path to qualify for additional revenue, preventing an arbitrary or unfair distribution system. Otherwise, this “brand fund” could set a precedent where the loudest, most litigious schools dictate terms—undermining the very stability the ACC is trying to preserve.


Maybe I'm missing something, but doesn't ESPN have a unilateral option to extend its media contract with the ACC? Why does ESPN opting to exercise its unilateral right to extend the ACC media agreement to 2036 have anything to do with the ACC making any special exception for FSU/Clemson/Miami and to create a "brand fund" to appease them? Is there something about ESPN's exercising its option that would MATERIALLY change the original media agreement and therefore require all ACC schools to re-vote/renew the GOR? Clemson/FSU/whoever isn't happy is legally binded to the ACC GOR, so what does it matter now that ESPN is renewing?

I pointed this out earlier in this thread, and it's something that's being touched in the quoted post, once consideration changes, it creates a new dynamic that changes the intent of the original binding contract...in this case the GOR. I'm not sure what, but something of "consideration" must be changing for the ACC to think about reworking payout terms/structure with its members. ESPN just straight renewing its contract with the ACC shouldn't be an impetus in itself for the ACC to change it's member payout structure which was already defined in the GOR and media agreements.
 

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Maybe I'm missing something, but doesn't ESPN have a unilateral option to extend its media contract with the ACC? Why does ESPN opting to exercise its unilateral right to extend the ACC media agreement to 2036 have anything to do with the ACC making any special exception for FSU/Clemson/Miami and to create a "brand fund" to appease them? Is there something about ESPN's exercising its option that would MATERIALLY change the original media agreement and therefore require all ACC schools to re-vote/renew the GOR? Clemson/FSU/whoever isn't happy is legally binded to the ACC GOR, so what does it matter now that ESPN is renewing?

I pointed this out earlier in this thread, and it's something that's being touched in the quoted post, once consideration changes, it creates a new dynamic that changes the intent of the original binding contract...in this case the GOR. I'm not sure what, but something of "consideration" must be changing for the ACC to think about reworking payout terms/structure with its members. ESPN just straight renewing its contract with the ACC shouldn't be an impetus in itself for the ACC to change it's member payout structure which was already defined in the GOR and media agreements.
I have said many times that I am not a lawyer. McKenzie is, so he knows much more than I do. However, I don't see how the GOR affects negotiations for revenue models. The GOR document that I have read does not spell out that the conference revenue would be split equally. That is in the ACC Bylaws. In my layman opinion, he is stretching to say that changing the revenue distribution in the Bylaws would invalidate the GOR. They have already been working on that, and nobody on any side has made any argument that such changes would invalidate the GOR. SMU joined with an understanding that they would not receive Tier 1 media payouts for several years. That is already a change to the ACC Bylaws, and neither FSU nor Clemson added that argument to their lawsuits.

I do agree with him that if the rest of the ACC capitulates to FSU it will not keep them from doing the same thing in another couple of years, or even in a few months. If a revenue model is approved, and they don't get the payout they thought they would get, they are just as likely to start complaining publicly, or refile lawsuits again. Clemson has been very reserved in what they have said publicly. FSU was in bridge burning mode, until they got into the 2-10 disaster of this year. I do agree with him that it would be difficult for other conferences to actually want a business partner that whines like a toddler, and invokes lawsuits and state AGs when they don't get the shiny toy off the shelf. The item that FSU thought was most actionable is now completely mute. The ACC might have reasons to negotiate a different revenue structure, but appeasing FSU should not be one of them.
 

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Maybe I'm missing something, but doesn't ESPN have a unilateral option to extend its media contract with the ACC? Why does ESPN opting to exercise its unilateral right to extend the ACC media agreement to 2036 have anything to do with the ACC making any special exception for FSU/Clemson/Miami and to create a "brand fund" to appease them? Is there something about ESPN's exercising its option that would MATERIALLY change the original media agreement and therefore require all ACC schools to re-vote/renew the GOR? Clemson/FSU/whoever isn't happy is legally binded to the ACC GOR, so what does it matter now that ESPN is renewing?

I pointed this out earlier in this thread, and it's something that's being touched in the quoted post, once consideration changes, it creates a new dynamic that changes the intent of the original binding contract...in this case the GOR. I'm not sure what, but something of "consideration" must be changing for the ACC to think about reworking payout terms/structure with its members. ESPN just straight renewing its contract with the ACC shouldn't be an impetus in itself for the ACC to change it's member payout structure which was already defined in the GOR and media agreements.
Just because FSU and Clemson want changes doesn't mean they'll get them. ACC should just tell them to go pound sand and you can leave in 11.5 years.
 

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Just because FSU and Clemson want changes doesn't mean they'll get them. ACC should just tell them to go pound sand and you can leave in 11.5 years.
You seem to believe in civil justice where my experience says act tough then settle with a way to earn a bigger upside for improved future performance .

Say espn sets a prices and date (2031) and mia, fsu, clem pay it and leave, what will happen to ND? If they skip out thats a tv revenue killer for left over acc.
 

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I have said many times that I am not a lawyer. McKenzie is, so he knows much more than I do. However, I don't see how the GOR affects negotiations for revenue models. The GOR document that I have read does not spell out that the conference revenue would be split equally. That is in the ACC Bylaws. In my layman opinion, he is stretching to say that changing the revenue distribution in the Bylaws would invalidate the GOR. They have already been working on that, and nobody on any side has made any argument that such changes would invalidate the GOR. SMU joined with an understanding that they would not receive Tier 1 media payouts for several years. That is already a change to the ACC Bylaws, and neither FSU nor Clemson added that argument to their lawsuits.

I do agree with him that if the rest of the ACC capitulates to FSU it will not keep them from doing the same thing in another couple of years, or even in a few months. If a revenue model is approved, and they don't get the payout they thought they would get, they are just as likely to start complaining publicly, or refile lawsuits again. Clemson has been very reserved in what they have said publicly. FSU was in bridge burning mode, until they got into the 2-10 disaster of this year. I do agree with him that it would be difficult for other conferences to actually want a business partner that whines like a toddler, and invokes lawsuits and state AGs when they don't get the shiny toy off the shelf. The item that FSU thought was most actionable is now completely mute. The ACC might have reasons to negotiate a different revenue structure, but appeasing FSU should not be one of them.
There is a thing called leverage and right now FSU does not have much and with their current coach they will probably continue to not have much. Tell them to go pound sand. When/If the realignment comes back around they will be the ones without a seat
 

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I agree with @Techster and @RonJohn on this. Perhaps there is info that we aren't privy to that is driving the new revenue distribution discussions. There isn't anything in the GoR about the distribution model, and the new agreement with ESPN shouldn't matter. I think McKensie is mistaken about this tying to the GoR.

I do agree that if the ACC adjusts the revenue distribution to the benefit of certain "brands" at the expense of others, McKensie has a point about that arrangement not constituting a valid contract.

When the ACC recently adjusted the revenue distribution to allow for the "performance incentive", it was done such that all members had an equal shot at getting a revenue bump. The extra revenue was obtained via the new schools foregoing some or all of their shares for a period in return for ACC membership. There has to be a give and take in any contract; it can't just benefit some at the expense of others.

I don't know if the new ESPN agreement requires an administrative update to the GoR because it references the Agreement (I don't think it should), but if so, all members would need to sign. That could be a sticking point that induces the ACC to dangle a carrot before its recalcitrant members to get them to sign an amended GoR. I can't think of any other reason besides ending the lawsuits for the ACC to negotiate on revenue distribution.
 

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You seem to believe in civil justice where my experience says act tough then settle with a way to earn a bigger upside for improved future performance .

Say espn sets a prices and date (2031) and mia, fsu, clem pay it and leave, what will happen to ND? If they skip out thats a tv revenue killer for left over acc.
Two things:

1. By the time 2031 gets here, I think it's going to be a very different landscape and none of this will matter.

2. The ACC holds all the cards and there are enough schools that would be damaged if they allowed that type of crap to happen that any move will be blocked. I think The ACC is going to listen to Clemson, FSU and maybe UNC and Miami and then pat them on the head and say "no." (unless ESPN leans hard on The ACC, I mean really hard)
 

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The ACC agreed to schedule FSU, Miami, and Clemson so that ND plays two of those schools every year. I understand ESPN agreed to fund a "branding" incentive that the conference can distribute to the teams that draw the most ESPN eyeballs. It is expected that FSU, Miami, Clemson, and UNC will be the most likely recipients of those funds. Is that going to be enough for FSU and Clemson to withdraw their lawsuits? I think the ACC will demand that both schools agree that the GOR and exit fees are legitimate and enforceable. Furthermore, I believe the ACC will require all teams to sign an agreement that states NC has jurisdiction for all legal disputes between the ACC and members.
 

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Two things:

1. By the time 2031 gets here, I think it's going to be a very different landscape and none of this will matter.

2. The ACC holds all the cards and there are enough schools that would be damaged if they allowed that type of crap to happen that any move will be blocked. I think The ACC is going to listen to Clemson, FSU and maybe UNC and Miami and then pat them on the head and say "no." (unless ESPN leans hard on The ACC, I mean really hard)
We don't even know what the actual details of the ESPN contract are. Everyone is reporting the extension as ESPN deciding not to drop the ACC altogether, but we don't actually know if that was the case. Pate reported that ESPN isn't "paying a dime more" for the ACC, but he doesn't actually know that and we don't either. It is just as possible that ESPN is offering more money, or offering more money IF the ACC changes the distribution model. Changing the distribution model could be based on a baseline of current and additional money to add to "brands". I don't know that to be the case, but nobody publicly knows what the details of the ESPN contract. Not even the ESPN reporters.

Changing the GOR would require every single member of the ACC to sign off on it. It can't be done by majority, or even super-majority. Every single team would have to sign off on it. (All 18)
 

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The ACC agreed to schedule FSU, Miami, and Clemson so that ND plays two of those schools every year.

I understand ESPN agreed to fund a "branding" incentive that the conference can distribute to the teams that draw the most ESPN eyeballs.
Are these statements of fact, or still speculation based on what's been reported?
If they are statements of fact, can you provide a link to a source?
 

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We don't even know what the actual details of the ESPN contract are. Everyone is reporting the extension as ESPN deciding not to drop the ACC altogether, but we don't actually know if that was the case. Pate reported that ESPN isn't "paying a dime more" for the ACC, but he doesn't actually know that and we don't either. It is just as possible that ESPN is offering more money, or offering more money IF the ACC changes the distribution model. Changing the distribution model could be based on a baseline of current and additional money to add to "brands". I don't know that to be the case, but nobody publicly knows what the details of the ESPN contract. Not even the ESPN reporters.

Changing the GOR would require every single member of the ACC to sign off on it. It can't be done by majority, or even super-majority. Every single team would have to sign off on it. (All 18)
And that doesn't seem likely.

What I'm missing is why ESPN would care how the ACC splits the money.
 

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We don't even know what the actual details of the ESPN contract are. Everyone is reporting the extension as ESPN deciding not to drop the ACC altogether, but we don't actually know if that was the case. Pate reported that ESPN isn't "paying a dime more" for the ACC, but he doesn't actually know that and we don't either. It is just as possible that ESPN is offering more money, or offering more money IF the ACC changes the distribution model. Changing the distribution model could be based on a baseline of current and additional money to add to "brands". I don't know that to be the case, but nobody publicly knows what the details of the ESPN contract. Not even the ESPN reporters.

Changing the GOR would require every single member of the ACC to sign off on it. It can't be done by majority, or even super-majority. Every single team would have to sign off on it. (All 18)
I agree. People are making assumptions without facts to support those suppositions.
 

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And that doesn't seem likely.

What I'm missing is why ESPN would care how the ACC splits the money.
Only reason I can think of is that ESPN would like the ACC to be stable, and further, would like the big brands to do well because they tend to draw more eyeballs. 10 win Wake Forest or BC is a cool story, but it doesn't bring eyeballs for ad revenue like FSU, Clemson, Miami, when they are good and Tech this past year/ when we are good/playing good opponents. I don't know why UNC gets brought up in this discussion though, except for maybe the national interest in seeing Belichick as a new FBS coach the same way as Deion at Colorado. Otherwise their football brand sucks and they generally don't play many marquee matchups.
 

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Only reason I can think of is that ESPN would like the ACC to be stable, and further, would like the big brands to do well because they tend to draw more eyeballs. 10 win Wake Forest or BC is a cool story, but it doesn't bring eyeballs for ad revenue like FSU, Clemson, Miami, when they are good and Tech this past year/ when we are good/playing good opponents. I don't know why UNC gets brought up in this discussion though, except for maybe the national interest in seeing Belichick as a new FBS coach the same way as Deion at Colorado. Otherwise their football brand sucks and they generally don't play many marquee matchups.
Jimmies at qb that went to nfl = unc>all rest of acc( approx).
Belichick is a easy $$$ way of trying get another nfl qb.
Not doing the work.
 

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I hope all three of them go in the tank.
Well, we’re caught in a vicious cycle. If they go in the tank, then GT will dominate them for years, but that domination will be discounted, because Notre Dame will also dominate them, and thus “prove” that the ACC isn’t any good and that GT’s dominance means zero.
 

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Crock-o-poo with this ND to play 2/3 of Miami, FSU, and Clemson each year.
By defintion this will add eyeballs to fsu and miami clemson tv payout.as it subtracts from rest of acc. If those games are not entertaining tv guys could add others to ND mix. Gt would be likely add.


To bad Haynes King was out due to injury during nd game as it would have been closer.
24 year Gt was very very good against top teams. Beating fsu and miami and playing gmuga in Athens to 8 ot came at the perfect time. Dont want to takk down the effort and play of pyron and the team. They did well against a helkuva defese thatcwas stacked with all american level players in the middle.

If we are good again this year by playing well agsinst clem and uga and beat crummy teams by a lot, tv advertisers guys will remember that gt is solid and on the rise= very entertaining
If we play tough against good teams and """barely" beat other teams, thectv guys will move on from gt as entertaining.

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Go Jackets
 
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