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A lot of Tennessee fans despise Vanderbilt and see them as pretentious prices, especially those that live in Middle Tennessee
The fans may hate Vandy as a pretentious private school, but on the football field, from 1928 to 2011, Tennessee went 71–9–2 against them. Since 2012, Tennessee leads 7–5 on the field. So it might be more of a rivalry now than it was when I worked with Vol fans in the 80s & 90s.
 

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if Clemson wins and ND were to lose, does Clemson jump the Irish?
I doubt it.
Clemson doesn't have much on its bones. The only team it has beaten that has won more than 5 games this season is Pitt. It got to play mostly the worst teams in the ACC.
Also, they have multiple shared opponents and ND beat every one by a larger score and beat L'ville where Clemson lost by double digits. I think the L'ville results would keep Clemson behind ND.

I did a deep dive on the one loss teams yesterday and a quicker look at 2 loss teams. My rankings looking at that - and really looking at their schedule and results and trying to ignore names and conference logos leads me to a fairly different outcome than what the committee is currently doing.
1. OR (undefeated power conference gets #1 overall)
2. OSU (only loss is to #1 by 1 point on road. 2 wins over teams with 10 wins, no FCS opponent)
3. ND (has a wtf loss, but otherwise has alot of beatdowns and wins over 6 teams with 7+ wins including A&M on road, no FCS opponent)
4. SMU (sneaky good record, 5 wins over teams with at least 7 wins, only loss is to BYU and that is with a different QB, 8-0 with Jennings - ACC and SMU should be playing that up)
5. PSU (Only loss being to a 10-1 team and a win over 8 win ILL)
6. UGA (no bad losses and some very good wins - could talk me into putting them higher - sometimes looks like the best team in the country, other times not even Top 25)
7. Miami (loss is to a 7-win GT, solid wins over Duke and L'ville, but otherwise a little light)
8. Az St (wins over teams with 7, 8, and 9 wins respectively)
9. BYU (similar to Az ST, Slots here due to loss to Az St, win over SMU - though that was pre-Jennings)
10. TX (way overranked due to name and conference. Has no wins over a P4 team with more than 6 wins, no wins over teams with a winning conference record, 6 wins over bottom 7 SEC teams)
11. IND (Similar to TX, but even worse, only 3 wins over teams with winning records - 6 win Neb, Wash, and MI)
12. TN (good win over AL, but not much else on the schedule - no other wins over teams with more than 6 wins, loss to ARK)
13. Boise (good loss to OR, solid win against Wash St and UNLV, could argue for them to be ahead of TN)


Texas ended up with a golden ticket from the SEC this year. Their 6 SEC wins come over teams with a combined 13-31 conference record.
In this new age of superconferences they are less conferences and more federations due to their size. SEC may be the best overall conference, but it has plenty of mediocre to weak teams so if you get the right schedule you actually have a relatively easy path. This applies to all the conferences - Clemson had the same in the ACC, basically lost to the only good conference team it played. AZ St had a much more difficult schedule in the B12 than Iowa St or Col who mostly got to play the weaker teams in the conference. Indiana and to a lesser extent PSU in the B1G.

You can't just say they played an SEC schedule, or they played a B1G schedule. There is no such thing anymore since you are basically only going to play half your league. The schedules vary widely.
 

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I doubt it.
Clemson doesn't have much on its bones. The only team it has beaten that has won more than 5 games this season is Pitt. It got to play mostly the worst teams in the ACC.
Also, they have multiple shared opponents and ND beat every one by a larger score and beat L'ville where Clemson lost by double digits. I think the L'ville results would keep Clemson behind ND.

I did a deep dive on the one loss teams yesterday and a quicker look at 2 loss teams. My rankings looking at that - and really looking at their schedule and results and trying to ignore names and conference logos leads me to a fairly different outcome than what the committee is currently doing.
1. OR (undefeated power conference gets #1 overall)
2. OSU (only loss is to #1 by 1 point on road. 2 wins over teams with 10 wins, no FCS opponent)
3. ND (has a wtf loss, but otherwise has alot of beatdowns and wins over 6 teams with 7+ wins including A&M on road, no FCS opponent)
4. SMU (sneaky good record, 5 wins over teams with at least 7 wins, only loss is to BYU and that is with a different QB, 8-0 with Jennings - ACC and SMU should be playing that up)
5. PSU (Only loss being to a 10-1 team and a win over 8 win ILL)
6. UGA (no bad losses and some very good wins - could talk me into putting them higher - sometimes looks like the best team in the country, other times not even Top 25)
7. Miami (loss is to a 7-win GT, solid wins over Duke and L'ville, but otherwise a little light)
8. Az St (wins over teams with 7, 8, and 9 wins respectively)
9. BYU (similar to Az ST, Slots here due to loss to Az St, win over SMU - though that was pre-Jennings)
10. TX (way overranked due to name and conference. Has no wins over a P4 team with more than 6 wins, no wins over teams with a winning conference record, 6 wins over bottom 7 SEC teams)
11. IND (Similar to TX, but even worse, only 3 wins over teams with winning records - 6 win Neb, Wash, and MI)
12. TN (good win over AL, but not much else on the schedule - no other wins over teams with more than 6 wins, loss to ARK)
13. Boise (good loss to OR, solid win against Wash St and UNLV, could argue for them to be ahead of TN)
This is a good "deep dive" on the CFP top teams.

It will be interesting to see where Clemson falls or rises to in the current CFP rankings later today. Most of those teams have pretty safe games this coming weekend. I think most people not fans of Ga Tech see uga with a safe game as well. IMO the key games are A&M/Texas, Clemson/South Carolina, Tennessee/Vandy, Notre Dame/USC, and Miami/Syracuse.
 

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I doubt it.
Clemson doesn't have much on its bones. The only team it has beaten that has won more than 5 games this season is Pitt. It got to play mostly the worst teams in the ACC.
Also, they have multiple shared opponents and ND beat every one by a larger score and beat L'ville where Clemson lost by double digits. I think the L'ville results would keep Clemson behind ND.

I did a deep dive on the one loss teams yesterday and a quicker look at 2 loss teams. My rankings looking at that - and really looking at their schedule and results and trying to ignore names and conference logos leads me to a fairly different outcome than what the committee is currently doing.
1. OR (undefeated power conference gets #1 overall)
2. OSU (only loss is to #1 by 1 point on road. 2 wins over teams with 10 wins, no FCS opponent)
3. ND (has a wtf loss, but otherwise has alot of beatdowns and wins over 6 teams with 7+ wins including A&M on road, no FCS opponent)
4. SMU (sneaky good record, 5 wins over teams with at least 7 wins, only loss is to BYU and that is with a different QB, 8-0 with Jennings - ACC and SMU should be playing that up)
5. PSU (Only loss being to a 10-1 team and a win over 8 win ILL)
6. UGA (no bad losses and some very good wins - could talk me into putting them higher - sometimes looks like the best team in the country, other times not even Top 25)
7. Miami (loss is to a 7-win GT, solid wins over Duke and L'ville, but otherwise a little light)
8. Az St (wins over teams with 7, 8, and 9 wins respectively)
9. BYU (similar to Az ST, Slots here due to loss to Az St, win over SMU - though that was pre-Jennings)
10. TX (way overranked due to name and conference. Has no wins over a P4 team with more than 6 wins, no wins over teams with a winning conference record, 6 wins over bottom 7 SEC teams)
11. IND (Similar to TX, but even worse, only 3 wins over teams with winning records - 6 win Neb, Wash, and MI)
12. TN (good win over AL, but not much else on the schedule - no other wins over teams with more than 6 wins, loss to ARK)
13. Boise (good loss to OR, solid win against Wash St and UNLV, could argue for them to be ahead of TN)


Texas ended up with a golden ticket from the SEC this year. Their 6 SEC wins come over teams with a combined 13-31 conference record.
In this new age of superconferences they are less conferences and more federations due to their size. SEC may be the best overall conference, but it has plenty of mediocre to weak teams so if you get the right schedule you actually have a relatively easy path. This applies to all the conferences - Clemson had the same in the ACC, basically lost to the only good conference team it played. AZ St had a much more difficult schedule in the B12 than Iowa St or Col who mostly got to play the weaker teams in the conference. Indiana and to a lesser extent PSU in the B1G.

You can't just say they played an SEC schedule, or they played a B1G schedule. There is no such thing anymore since you are basically only going to play half your league. The schedules vary widely.
I nominate you for the committee Red! You get it, and I appreciate it.
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I have a friend whose son is a Colorado student. He follows the B12 closely.

In an email message this morning he LOL'd the B12 situation. AZ State and Iowa St are favored to play in the CG. Neither is a lock to win this week. BYU is also favored, but barely. All three are bunched just ahead of Tulane in the AP rankings. Tulane is favored this week to beat Memphis and to play Army in the AAC CG. If Tulane wins out and there is any chaos in the B12 this weekend and next, the Green Wave could slide up in the rankings just enough to be the 5th highest ranked conference champion. That would leave the B12 out of the CFP entirely.
 

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Brown will coach this weekend against NCST.

Didn't really think UNC would have balls to fire him, good on their administration.

That could end up being the best job available in this cycle.
There is alot of chatter that very few P4 level jobs are going to open as schools are waiting to see how everything works out money wise the next couple of years. That was part of the reason FL is keeping Napier. They probably made at least the right short term choice. They have a Fr QB that looks like a difference maker and their recruiting has taken off since the announcement - primarily at FSU's expense who has lost 3 or 4 commits to FSU.

UNC's recruiting really fell off this year so I can see part of the reason for making the move now. They don't have a big recruiting class to hold together.
 

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Are there any UNC commits we were recruiting who we might want to revisit?
They only have 10 commits right now, 3 are from GA.
The one I think we may have the most interest in is Evan Haynes, 6'3 WR from Fellowship Christian (same school as Petty). I believe we have had him on campus.
 

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I doubt it.
Clemson doesn't have much on its bones. The only team it has beaten that has won more than 5 games this season is Pitt. It got to play mostly the worst teams in the ACC.
Also, they have multiple shared opponents and ND beat every one by a larger score and beat L'ville where Clemson lost by double digits. I think the L'ville results would keep Clemson behind ND.

I did a deep dive on the one loss teams yesterday and a quicker look at 2 loss teams. My rankings looking at that - and really looking at their schedule and results and trying to ignore names and conference logos leads me to a fairly different outcome than what the committee is currently doing.
1. OR (undefeated power conference gets #1 overall)
2. OSU (only loss is to #1 by 1 point on road. 2 wins over teams with 10 wins, no FCS opponent)
3. ND (has a wtf loss, but otherwise has alot of beatdowns and wins over 6 teams with 7+ wins including A&M on road, no FCS opponent)
4. SMU (sneaky good record, 5 wins over teams with at least 7 wins, only loss is to BYU and that is with a different QB, 8-0 with Jennings - ACC and SMU should be playing that up)
5. PSU (Only loss being to a 10-1 team and a win over 8 win ILL)
6. UGA (no bad losses and some very good wins - could talk me into putting them higher - sometimes looks like the best team in the country, other times not even Top 25)
7. Miami (loss is to a 7-win GT, solid wins over Duke and L'ville, but otherwise a little light)
8. Az St (wins over teams with 7, 8, and 9 wins respectively)
9. BYU (similar to Az ST, Slots here due to loss to Az St, win over SMU - though that was pre-Jennings)
10. TX (way overranked due to name and conference. Has no wins over a P4 team with more than 6 wins, no wins over teams with a winning conference record, 6 wins over bottom 7 SEC teams)
11. IND (Similar to TX, but even worse, only 3 wins over teams with winning records - 6 win Neb, Wash, and MI)
12. TN (good win over AL, but not much else on the schedule - no other wins over teams with more than 6 wins, loss to ARK)
13. Boise (good loss to OR, solid win against Wash St and UNLV, could argue for them to be ahead of TN)


Texas ended up with a golden ticket from the SEC this year. Their 6 SEC wins come over teams with a combined 13-31 conference record.
In this new age of superconferences they are less conferences and more federations due to their size. SEC may be the best overall conference, but it has plenty of mediocre to weak teams so if you get the right schedule you actually have a relatively easy path. This applies to all the conferences - Clemson had the same in the ACC, basically lost to the only good conference team it played. AZ St had a much more difficult schedule in the B12 than Iowa St or Col who mostly got to play the weaker teams in the conference. Indiana and to a lesser extent PSU in the B1G.

You can't just say they played an SEC schedule, or they played a B1G schedule. There is no such thing anymore since you are basically only going to play half your league. The schedules vary widely.
Dang good job! You ought to chair the committe!
 

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I doubt it.
Clemson doesn't have much on its bones. The only team it has beaten that has won more than 5 games this season is Pitt. It got to play mostly the worst teams in the ACC.
Also, they have multiple shared opponents and ND beat every one by a larger score and beat L'ville where Clemson lost by double digits. I think the L'ville results would keep Clemson behind ND.

I did a deep dive on the one loss teams yesterday and a quicker look at 2 loss teams. My rankings looking at that - and really looking at their schedule and results and trying to ignore names and conference logos leads me to a fairly different outcome than what the committee is currently doing.
1. OR (undefeated power conference gets #1 overall)
2. OSU (only loss is to #1 by 1 point on road. 2 wins over teams with 10 wins, no FCS opponent)
3. ND (has a wtf loss, but otherwise has alot of beatdowns and wins over 6 teams with 7+ wins including A&M on road, no FCS opponent)
4. SMU (sneaky good record, 5 wins over teams with at least 7 wins, only loss is to BYU and that is with a different QB, 8-0 with Jennings - ACC and SMU should be playing that up)
5. PSU (Only loss being to a 10-1 team and a win over 8 win ILL)
6. UGA (no bad losses and some very good wins - could talk me into putting them higher - sometimes looks like the best team in the country, other times not even Top 25)
7. Miami (loss is to a 7-win GT, solid wins over Duke and L'ville, but otherwise a little light)
8. Az St (wins over teams with 7, 8, and 9 wins respectively)
9. BYU (similar to Az ST, Slots here due to loss to Az St, win over SMU - though that was pre-Jennings)
10. TX (way overranked due to name and conference. Has no wins over a P4 team with more than 6 wins, no wins over teams with a winning conference record, 6 wins over bottom 7 SEC teams)
11. IND (Similar to TX, but even worse, only 3 wins over teams with winning records - 6 win Neb, Wash, and MI)
12. TN (good win over AL, but not much else on the schedule - no other wins over teams with more than 6 wins, loss to ARK)
13. Boise (good loss to OR, solid win against Wash St and UNLV, could argue for them to be ahead of TN)


Texas ended up with a golden ticket from the SEC this year. Their 6 SEC wins come over teams with a combined 13-31 conference record.
In this new age of superconferences they are less conferences and more federations due to their size. SEC may be the best overall conference, but it has plenty of mediocre to weak teams so if you get the right schedule you actually have a relatively easy path. This applies to all the conferences - Clemson had the same in the ACC, basically lost to the only good conference team it played. AZ St had a much more difficult schedule in the B12 than Iowa St or Col who mostly got to play the weaker teams in the conference. Indiana and to a lesser extent PSU in the B1G.

You can't just say they played an SEC schedule, or they played a B1G schedule. There is no such thing anymore since you are basically only going to play half your league. The schedules vary widely.
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Dang good job! You ought to chair the committe!
Arizona State, SMU, and Miami are probably all underrated. Arizona State makes some questionable coaching decisions.

To me, Notre Dame is a much more focused team since their loss to Northern Illinois. I wish we could have played them before that game; we could have been their WTF loss. I don’t think they’ll have another.
 

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Arizona State, SMU, and Miami are probably all underrated. Arizona State makes some questionable coaching decisions.

To me, Notre Dame is a much more focused team since their loss to Northern Illinois. I wish we could have played them before that game; we could have been their WTF loss. I don’t think they’ll have another.
You think they’re NC bound?
 
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