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What are you talking about? Where is this fixed 12 games season coming from? Why are you not including bowl games and ACC Championship games? This is yet another of your ploys to disparage the program. Its consistent and frankly why you catch it from people on this board.

Exactly. Johnson even had a few 14 games seasons in there.

Just add up there wins and divide by the seasons.

I didn't make the edit window so I'll update here. Johnson averaged 7.54 wins per season Gailey 7.33 O'leary 7.57 We have been a consistently solid program over the last 25 years with varying styles of offenses. The 3O brought similar success overall to the other systems, but left our...

I believe both averaged 8 wins a year.

LOL!!! Give it time big man. Rome wasn't built in a day.

HMMM. I remember rocking crowds in 06 and 07. My memory could be off though.

Before the 3O...

I'm betting Vegas will have O/U around 4.5. And that would seem right to me. This team still has a long way to go from a talent perspective to be competitive with the schedule we play.

Does Tech run a profit?

If collegiate athletics becomes more about the athlete than the college than it’s time for the colleges to move on and force these individuals into a minor league football. Everyone knows how glamorous the minors are for baseball players.

The G5 opponent will likely be in the top 25.

Good. The program needs money. Heck of a home slate we have next year.

You do know Clemson has made the playoffs with 1 loss right? You are also aware that this was a down year for the conference and it’s likely to bounce back next year?

True. And the positive affects collegiate athletics have had on minority communities is clear. Let's not do something to remove that.

Fantastic response.

Nobody seems to have answers to these questions. Most just want to jump and down say something needs to change. I don't see anyway you can do it and maintain any form of the current structure. And maybe that's what some want is a complete overthrow of the NCAA.

What? How in the world do you have any understanding on how I value human life? The issues that led to Gowdy’s death are long but I’m not willing to say in any way shape or form that Collegiate athletes being paid would have changed this outcome. And here is the point, I’m not saying there...

My response was in response to somebody saying I was speaking from a position of privilege. Juanyeh is a P5 football player getting an education at one of the premier colleges in the country. 99% of people his age would trade spots with him in a heartbeat. That’s not an emotional response.

If you don’t think players profiting from advertisements would be abused then you simply don’t have a good grasp on the situation.