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<blockquote data-quote="AE 87" data-source="post: 250839" data-attributes="member: 195"><p>I appreciate your desire to claim the high ground and stay neutral. However, you suggested some may be guilty of inconsistency by asserting an equivalency between this decision and Kaepernik's. </p><p></p><p>Despite your protestation of not taking sides, you took a side, imo. </p><p></p><p>Let me explain my pov. On many controversial issues, differing opinions arise from different ways of framing the question rather than just different answers to the same question. </p><p></p><p>For example, those who favor abortion rights don't talk about mothers having the right to kill their children. That's not how they frame the question. Opponents of same sex marriage don't talk about limiting the rights of homosexuals because that's not how they frame the question. </p><p></p><p>In other words, how we frame the question on controversial issues often reflects the side we're on. </p><p></p><p>So, by correlating the two decisions you, iiuc, implicitly framed the two issues as a question of an individual's right to express protest thru actions. However, I don't recall the response against Kaepernik as primarily rejecting these rights. Rather, objections focused, iirc, primarily on the context of the protest (protesting the emblem of right to protest) and on the substance (whether America systematically oppresses African Americans). Reactions here are similar. Those who disagree with this decision don't deny he has the right but rather whether it's the correct thing to do. </p><p></p><p>My take, tifwiw.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AE 87, post: 250839, member: 195"] I appreciate your desire to claim the high ground and stay neutral. However, you suggested some may be guilty of inconsistency by asserting an equivalency between this decision and Kaepernik's. Despite your protestation of not taking sides, you took a side, imo. Let me explain my pov. On many controversial issues, differing opinions arise from different ways of framing the question rather than just different answers to the same question. For example, those who favor abortion rights don't talk about mothers having the right to kill their children. That's not how they frame the question. Opponents of same sex marriage don't talk about limiting the rights of homosexuals because that's not how they frame the question. In other words, how we frame the question on controversial issues often reflects the side we're on. So, by correlating the two decisions you, iiuc, implicitly framed the two issues as a question of an individual's right to express protest thru actions. However, I don't recall the response against Kaepernik as primarily rejecting these rights. Rather, objections focused, iirc, primarily on the context of the protest (protesting the emblem of right to protest) and on the substance (whether America systematically oppresses African Americans). Reactions here are similar. Those who disagree with this decision don't deny he has the right but rather whether it's the correct thing to do. My take, tifwiw. [/QUOTE]
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