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<blockquote data-quote="jojatk" data-source="post: 953401" data-attributes="member: 2627"><p>I sit in between these two opposing viewpoints of "CPJ running the program into the ground" and the "we were AWESOME and not struggling at all at any time during CPJs tenure." CPJ, a coach I admire (present tense, he's still alive and I still admire him), was excellent for our football program for a number of years. From 2008-2014 we only finished lower than 2nd in our division once, went to a bowl every year though our bowl record wasn't very good, beat UGA twice (note the time period, I know we beat them one more time), and only had a single season where we finished below 0.500. From 2015-2018 we were much more up and down and, for some, the writing was on the wall that the NCAA and college football in general was not fond of the offensive style CPJ and a few others ran and had begun enacting rules to make it much more difficult to have success. Four of the five seasons we had with 8+ wins were in the 2008-2014 time frame while two of CPJs worst seasons were in the 2015-2018 time frame. I recognize that one of those two bad seasons was significantly impacted by injuries but I think the magnitude of the collapse with those injuries highlights that while we weren't as bad at recruiting as some might think that we had a big problem with overall quality of depth. I do think our recruiting was also not as good as it needed to be for us to get consistently back to the 7+ win level, but that's just an opinion though our recruiting on the offensive and defensive lines was not great (not saying we didn't get a few excellent players here and there on the lines rather that we struggled to get enough high level talent especially on the lines). So things weren't amazing at the end of CPJs tenure here and at the same time the program wasn't a dumpster fire either (CGC, with an assist from ADTS, lit the dumpster fire).</p><p></p><p>Compounding the problem of a major change in offensive system and identity was that CGC was completely incapable of leading anything. He became, in many ways, even more polarizing than CPJs offensive style and hopefully we will look back at his time here as the "palate cleanser" between two good meal courses (CPJ and CBK).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="jojatk, post: 953401, member: 2627"] I sit in between these two opposing viewpoints of "CPJ running the program into the ground" and the "we were AWESOME and not struggling at all at any time during CPJs tenure." CPJ, a coach I admire (present tense, he's still alive and I still admire him), was excellent for our football program for a number of years. From 2008-2014 we only finished lower than 2nd in our division once, went to a bowl every year though our bowl record wasn't very good, beat UGA twice (note the time period, I know we beat them one more time), and only had a single season where we finished below 0.500. From 2015-2018 we were much more up and down and, for some, the writing was on the wall that the NCAA and college football in general was not fond of the offensive style CPJ and a few others ran and had begun enacting rules to make it much more difficult to have success. Four of the five seasons we had with 8+ wins were in the 2008-2014 time frame while two of CPJs worst seasons were in the 2015-2018 time frame. I recognize that one of those two bad seasons was significantly impacted by injuries but I think the magnitude of the collapse with those injuries highlights that while we weren't as bad at recruiting as some might think that we had a big problem with overall quality of depth. I do think our recruiting was also not as good as it needed to be for us to get consistently back to the 7+ win level, but that's just an opinion though our recruiting on the offensive and defensive lines was not great (not saying we didn't get a few excellent players here and there on the lines rather that we struggled to get enough high level talent especially on the lines). So things weren't amazing at the end of CPJs tenure here and at the same time the program wasn't a dumpster fire either (CGC, with an assist from ADTS, lit the dumpster fire). Compounding the problem of a major change in offensive system and identity was that CGC was completely incapable of leading anything. He became, in many ways, even more polarizing than CPJs offensive style and hopefully we will look back at his time here as the "palate cleanser" between two good meal courses (CPJ and CBK). [/QUOTE]
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