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<blockquote data-quote="jgtengineer" data-source="post: 378633" data-attributes="member: 3094"><p> <ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Can you run the flexbone successfully out of shotgun? Army, Navy, and UCF all ran the flexbone successfully out of shotgun, so <strong>yes</strong>. (Possibly, it gives a passing advantage)<ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><em>Passing out of the gun on these systems uses different concepts. Run and shoot passing relies also on QB misdirection of safeties you don't get that out of the gun</em></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><em>The reads are different and the blocking schemes different out of the gun</em>.</li> </ol></li> </ol><p></p><ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Are there reasons you'd prefer to run it under center? <strong>Yes</strong>, there are some blocking angles that you get from running under center that give you an OL advantage. Plus, it's an extra three feet to make up.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Does running under shotgun free the DE from having to choose whether to take the B-Back or the QB? The article says yes, but every time I've seen a read-option out of the shotgun (Carolina Panthers, Auburn, Ohio State, Florida), the DE does seem to have to choose and often gets burned. Why this situation is different is beyond me.<ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><em> What they run is a two read read option off of zone blocking. It's a different play. The line blocks zone and the dive read is the only read. Its a slower hitting play that forces the DE to take either the QB or running back. In a triple option that read has ot be much faster so you can get it to the pitch back on the move. This is what allows a de to play both ( this can also happen if the QB gets to much depth under center like on a belly triple. </em></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><em>The way teams get aroudn this when running the read option is they add a quick pass component to theis usually with a slot back or wr. the QB reads the end, if the end crashes he keeps if he comes up he gives, if he stays in no mans land he throws the swing OR he keeps then makes him commit and throws the swing, oregon made a living with this.</em></li> </ol></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Do we have enough time to train to be good in both shotgun and under center? <strong>Apparently not</strong>.<ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><em>This is a two fold problem, We actually run more plays than any of the service academies. We may dril 10 or so plays a week that CPJ feels are the best plays to win the game but we have a lot more variety in what we do than army or navy does.</em></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><em>We often play talent over experience, when talented freshman come in we give them a shot to win. The academies often are playing juniors and seniors who have been in system for a long time. It would not surprise me if they do a building block approach by year. </em></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><em>Most college teams are usually exclusive now in scheme, either under center or in the gun. A few of them may have mutliple formations but only one or 2 plays out of that formation. Our offense is designed to allow us to run everything from every formation so as not to tip our hat. One of the problems with the Gun formations and the flexbone is it removes variation plays like the midline, standard, and outside veer as what sets these plays apart is the mesh location. </em></li> </ol></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Why don't we go to shotgun full time? Because CPJ likes under center better, and it's a lot easier to get one yard on fourth down that way.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Are opposing defensive coordinators being honest with CPJ when they comment on what is challenging to defend in the flexbone? Your guess is as good as mine.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Will we run shotgun again? <strong>Probably, just not under CPJ.</strong></li> </ol><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>my response in italics</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="jgtengineer, post: 378633, member: 3094"] [LIST=1] [*]Can you run the flexbone successfully out of shotgun? Army, Navy, and UCF all ran the flexbone successfully out of shotgun, so [B]yes[/B]. (Possibly, it gives a passing advantage) [LIST=1] [*][I]Passing out of the gun on these systems uses different concepts. Run and shoot passing relies also on QB misdirection of safeties you don't get that out of the gun[/I] [*][I]The reads are different and the blocking schemes different out of the gun[/I]. [/LIST] [/LIST] [LIST=1] [*]Are there reasons you'd prefer to run it under center? [B]Yes[/B], there are some blocking angles that you get from running under center that give you an OL advantage. Plus, it's an extra three feet to make up. [*]Does running under shotgun free the DE from having to choose whether to take the B-Back or the QB? The article says yes, but every time I've seen a read-option out of the shotgun (Carolina Panthers, Auburn, Ohio State, Florida), the DE does seem to have to choose and often gets burned. Why this situation is different is beyond me. [LIST=1] [*][I] What they run is a two read read option off of zone blocking. It's a different play. The line blocks zone and the dive read is the only read. Its a slower hitting play that forces the DE to take either the QB or running back. In a triple option that read has ot be much faster so you can get it to the pitch back on the move. This is what allows a de to play both ( this can also happen if the QB gets to much depth under center like on a belly triple. [/I] [*][I]The way teams get aroudn this when running the read option is they add a quick pass component to theis usually with a slot back or wr. the QB reads the end, if the end crashes he keeps if he comes up he gives, if he stays in no mans land he throws the swing OR he keeps then makes him commit and throws the swing, oregon made a living with this.[/I] [/LIST] [*]Do we have enough time to train to be good in both shotgun and under center? [B]Apparently not[/B]. [LIST=1] [*][I]This is a two fold problem, We actually run more plays than any of the service academies. We may dril 10 or so plays a week that CPJ feels are the best plays to win the game but we have a lot more variety in what we do than army or navy does.[/I] [*][I]We often play talent over experience, when talented freshman come in we give them a shot to win. The academies often are playing juniors and seniors who have been in system for a long time. It would not surprise me if they do a building block approach by year. [/I] [*][I]Most college teams are usually exclusive now in scheme, either under center or in the gun. A few of them may have mutliple formations but only one or 2 plays out of that formation. Our offense is designed to allow us to run everything from every formation so as not to tip our hat. One of the problems with the Gun formations and the flexbone is it removes variation plays like the midline, standard, and outside veer as what sets these plays apart is the mesh location. [/I] [/LIST] [*]Why don't we go to shotgun full time? Because CPJ likes under center better, and it's a lot easier to get one yard on fourth down that way. [*]Are opposing defensive coordinators being honest with CPJ when they comment on what is challenging to defend in the flexbone? Your guess is as good as mine. [*]Will we run shotgun again? [B]Probably, just not under CPJ.[/B] [/LIST] my response in italics [/QUOTE]
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