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<blockquote data-quote="MtnWasp" data-source="post: 905498" data-attributes="member: 4110"><p>Only if you evaluate recruiting based on rankings without regard to record, which to me is absurd. </p><p></p><p>No one called Cremins lucky when Mark Price turned into an All-ACC player or that John Sally grew 4 inches after signing with GT. No one pooped on Cremins because Matt Harpring had to beg his way to get Cremins to offer him even though Harpring played on the same high school team as Cremins' son and Cremins saw Harpring play in high school all of the time. </p><p></p><p>Luck is a big factor in recruiting ALL of the time. If you hold a coach accountable for bad luck, then you have to give them the credit for good luck as well. No double standards. The mantra that only recruiting rankings for the Fall period count and nothing else does is arbitrary and silly.</p><p></p><p>Pastner said it himself, at GT there is the issue of "fit." Gt is not for the majority of students regardless of whether or not they are athletes. the pool f players that "fit" at GT is becoming progressively smaller in the last 10 years due to societal changes beyond any coach's control.</p><p></p><p>Recruitniks point to Cremins and Hewitt and their five star recruits. Things have changed dramatically since then.</p><p></p><p>GT's prioritizing of the traditional student athlete model results in our progressive divergence from the emerging SEC-semi-pro-model, which is dominating the recruiting scene at present. Meanwhile, there is a society wide skepticism of the value of a higher education among young people due to factors far above the capacty of salesmanship to overcome. GT's top selling point is becoming nonsense to kids today. Finally, the NIL has entered the picture where the "good" recruits have a market value that, so far, Gt boosters have not even showed the slightest inclination to dip a toe with regards to putting together cash packages to induce recruits. See Nwoko to Miami.</p><p></p><p>Bottom line: The recruits that would be needed to make GT fans think we are recruiting well are even less interested in working hard in the classroom than they used to be and they are looking to cash in on their market value. The recruiting pool for GT is shrinking rapidly, especially among highly rated recruits. Gt sits in the heart of SEC country and the SEC is dominating not only GT but the ACC as well. Top players want privilege and some cash, they are not interested in a strong degree that that they see as setting them up for 30 years prarie-dogging under fluorescent lights in a corporate cubicle jungle, praying that their 401-K and job survives the next financial upheaval. The "nose-to-the-grinstone" / "American Dream" message is anathema to kids today. It is the new slavery. </p><p></p><p>These issues are far above Josh Pastner's (or any coach's) head. These are not issues that can be recruited around by a slick approach. The recruiting pool is shrinking and the staff is compensating for them as best they can. </p><p></p><p>I have a different view of recruiting: look at the roster. Do we have good distribution of classes and positions. Do we have good distribution of size, athleticism and skills? The staff has established a track record of developing these modestly rated recruits. It isn't luck. It is totally reasonable to expect improvement from last season.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MtnWasp, post: 905498, member: 4110"] Only if you evaluate recruiting based on rankings without regard to record, which to me is absurd. No one called Cremins lucky when Mark Price turned into an All-ACC player or that John Sally grew 4 inches after signing with GT. No one pooped on Cremins because Matt Harpring had to beg his way to get Cremins to offer him even though Harpring played on the same high school team as Cremins' son and Cremins saw Harpring play in high school all of the time. Luck is a big factor in recruiting ALL of the time. If you hold a coach accountable for bad luck, then you have to give them the credit for good luck as well. No double standards. The mantra that only recruiting rankings for the Fall period count and nothing else does is arbitrary and silly. Pastner said it himself, at GT there is the issue of "fit." Gt is not for the majority of students regardless of whether or not they are athletes. the pool f players that "fit" at GT is becoming progressively smaller in the last 10 years due to societal changes beyond any coach's control. Recruitniks point to Cremins and Hewitt and their five star recruits. Things have changed dramatically since then. GT's prioritizing of the traditional student athlete model results in our progressive divergence from the emerging SEC-semi-pro-model, which is dominating the recruiting scene at present. Meanwhile, there is a society wide skepticism of the value of a higher education among young people due to factors far above the capacty of salesmanship to overcome. GT's top selling point is becoming nonsense to kids today. Finally, the NIL has entered the picture where the "good" recruits have a market value that, so far, Gt boosters have not even showed the slightest inclination to dip a toe with regards to putting together cash packages to induce recruits. See Nwoko to Miami. Bottom line: The recruits that would be needed to make GT fans think we are recruiting well are even less interested in working hard in the classroom than they used to be and they are looking to cash in on their market value. The recruiting pool for GT is shrinking rapidly, especially among highly rated recruits. Gt sits in the heart of SEC country and the SEC is dominating not only GT but the ACC as well. Top players want privilege and some cash, they are not interested in a strong degree that that they see as setting them up for 30 years prarie-dogging under fluorescent lights in a corporate cubicle jungle, praying that their 401-K and job survives the next financial upheaval. The "nose-to-the-grinstone" / "American Dream" message is anathema to kids today. It is the new slavery. These issues are far above Josh Pastner's (or any coach's) head. These are not issues that can be recruited around by a slick approach. The recruiting pool is shrinking and the staff is compensating for them as best they can. I have a different view of recruiting: look at the roster. Do we have good distribution of classes and positions. Do we have good distribution of size, athleticism and skills? The staff has established a track record of developing these modestly rated recruits. It isn't luck. It is totally reasonable to expect improvement from last season. [/QUOTE]
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