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<blockquote data-quote="CuseJacket" data-source="post: 17868" data-attributes="member: 274">Agreed on all of the above.&nbsp; For good discussion it&#039;s imperative to listen to counterarguments.&nbsp; Listening means being willing to change your opinion based on what others are saying.&nbsp; If your opinion is set in stone no matter what, then you&#039;re not listening and may as well not post.To those who cite wins/losses alone - i.e., mainly the CPJ and offense detractors - just remember that Ben Roethlisberger is not better than Peyton Manning, and that Trent Dilfer was not better than Dan Marino just because the former won more Super Bowls.&nbsp; Plenty plays into wins/losses aside from a coach, an offense, and it&#039;s QB.To those who cite points per possession and yards per play - i.e., mainly the CPJ and offense enthusiasts - just remember elements of feel, being clutch, and making plays when it matters (Derek Jeter vs. Alex Rodriguez) have their place in determining success.The grey area is the space between taking wins/losses at face value alone vs. breaking down the reasons for wins/losses.&nbsp; Neither is an absolute indicator of success, and everyone just needs to play nice in the grey area.&nbsp; Getting off my soapbox now...</blockquote>

[QUOTE="CuseJacket, post: 17868, member: 274"] Agreed on all of the above. For good discussion it's imperative to listen to counterarguments. Listening means being willing to change your opinion based on what others are saying. If your opinion is set in stone no matter what, then you're not listening and may as well not post. To those who cite wins/losses alone - i.e., mainly the CPJ and offense detractors - just remember that Ben Roethlisberger is not better than Peyton Manning, and that Trent Dilfer was not better than Dan Marino just because the former won more Super Bowls. Plenty plays into wins/losses aside from a coach, an offense, and it's QB. To those who cite points per possession and yards per play - i.e., mainly the CPJ and offense enthusiasts - just remember elements of feel, being clutch, and making plays when it matters (Derek Jeter vs. Alex Rodriguez) have their place in determining success. The grey area is the space between taking wins/losses at face value alone vs. breaking down the reasons for wins/losses. Neither is an absolute indicator of success, and everyone just needs to play nice in the grey area. Getting off my soapbox now... [/QUOTE]

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