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<blockquote data-quote="Techster" data-source="post: 385442" data-attributes="member: 360"><p>Bottom line for me is winning is greater than any offensive or defensive system. If GT ran the single wing and won the ACC or National Championship, I'd be ecstatic.</p><p></p><p>I'll make no bones about it, I like CPJ's system, but it would not be my first choice if we hired someone else. I enjoy the passing game, and I enjoy the option game. When CPJ first got here, and I got to study the offense, what excited me was the passing game...or as I've come to find out a decade later, the POTENTIAL of the passing game. I mean, you couple some of the most devastating passing concepts with CPJ's already devastating option concepts?!! Oh boy! </p><p></p><p>I really thought CPJ would get high level dual threat guys, and WRs to buy into his vision of the POTENTIAL of this offense. In a way he did: he out recruited David Cutcliffe for Vad Lee, and he out recruited Nick Saban and Jimbo Fisher for Justin Thomas. He signed Stephen Hill who was a highly rated WR prospect. We had defenses spinning their heads in 2008 and 2009 with Nesbitt, who we all would agree is probably the toughest SOB to play QB in this system, but was not the greatest of passers. What could CPJ do with Vad Lee and JeT?! We all know what happened with Vad. With JeT, our offense ROLLED in 2014 and 2016, but the ground game was still 80% of our attack in 2014, and 23% of our attack in 2016. (Let's also mention, if GT had a defense in 2011 and 2012, the narrative of Tevin Washington would be totally different today. Those offenses were actually REALLY good according to Offensive FEI rankings).</p><p></p><p>It all goes back to preference. Anyone who argues with the results of CPJ's system is pretty much not very well attuned to football. CPJ's system works, and it has worked everywhere CPJ has been. At the same time, it's not for everyone. I made this analogy in another thread: Eating steak, potatos and salad gets the job done, and if you ate it every day there would be nothing wrong with it. It would serve its purpose. But the thing is, not everyone wants to eat steak, potatos, and salad every day. We hear the argument a lot that "Well, if you don't like CPJ's offense, you can always go back to Chan Gailey's pro style offense." The problem with that is the choices are not binary. It's not just Flex Option or "Pro Style".</p><p></p><p>You brought up Lincoln Riley (well, actually I did orginally, but...). Lincoln Riley is an Air Raid guy. He played for Mike Leach as a walk on at Texas Tech, and he was actually the back up to Kliff Kingsbury (now the HC at TXTech) before transitioning to a student assistant. But the one thing Riley learned after leaving Leach and coaching at other places is Air Raid in itself is only going to get you so far. If you REALLY want to get DC's heads spinning, mix in sound running principles with the Air Raid and watch the offense take off. Take off it did. Riley actually runs the ball more than he passes, but he also has stable of RBs Leach could only dream of. You look at what Scott Frost did with Chip Kelly's offense. <a href="https://blogs.usafootball.com/blog/4999/how-scott-frost-evolved-chip-kelly-s-offense-at-central-florida" target="_blank">https://blogs.usafootball.com/blog/4999/how-scott-frost-evolved-chip-kelly-s-offense-at-central-florida</a> </p><p></p><p>Today's football is the Cambrian Explosion in terms of all these new offenses taking off, old concepts being reinvigorated with new ideas and being applied in exciting ways. In 20-30 years, football historians will look at this period of football as probably the most innovative period of football.</p><p></p><p>Good offenses evolve over time, because defenses evolve over time as well. It was much easier running the Flex Option in 2008 and 2009 than it is now. We're no longer an exotic offense, defenses in the ACC have seen us for 10 years now. Even CPJ's disciples have changed things up to throw defenses off balance. As a GT fan, we're pretty simple: Does it work, and if it does, keep doing what we're doing. Don't make it complicated. CPJ echoes that "We've been doing for 30 years, and it's been working, so why change it up?" And he has a point. </p><p></p><p>The counter point is this: Football is entertainment. Once someone stops being entertained, they move on to something else. Personally, I quit paying attention to the NFL because it's the same offenses every week. GT can continue to win with the flex option, but if no one shows up to watch it, it doesn't hurt anyone but GT. You can say "Well, offense X crapped the bad against Team Y", but all offenses crap the bed at some point. When our offense is humming, it's beautiful...but the flex option has been unwatchable more times than I care to recall as well. </p><p></p><p>So I just took the LOOONG way to say: Just win. For those that like the offense, it's going to be the same no matter what. But for those that are not fans of this offense, winning makes it easier. Just win.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Techster, post: 385442, member: 360"] Bottom line for me is winning is greater than any offensive or defensive system. If GT ran the single wing and won the ACC or National Championship, I'd be ecstatic. I'll make no bones about it, I like CPJ's system, but it would not be my first choice if we hired someone else. I enjoy the passing game, and I enjoy the option game. When CPJ first got here, and I got to study the offense, what excited me was the passing game...or as I've come to find out a decade later, the POTENTIAL of the passing game. I mean, you couple some of the most devastating passing concepts with CPJ's already devastating option concepts?!! Oh boy! I really thought CPJ would get high level dual threat guys, and WRs to buy into his vision of the POTENTIAL of this offense. In a way he did: he out recruited David Cutcliffe for Vad Lee, and he out recruited Nick Saban and Jimbo Fisher for Justin Thomas. He signed Stephen Hill who was a highly rated WR prospect. We had defenses spinning their heads in 2008 and 2009 with Nesbitt, who we all would agree is probably the toughest SOB to play QB in this system, but was not the greatest of passers. What could CPJ do with Vad Lee and JeT?! We all know what happened with Vad. With JeT, our offense ROLLED in 2014 and 2016, but the ground game was still 80% of our attack in 2014, and 23% of our attack in 2016. (Let's also mention, if GT had a defense in 2011 and 2012, the narrative of Tevin Washington would be totally different today. Those offenses were actually REALLY good according to Offensive FEI rankings). It all goes back to preference. Anyone who argues with the results of CPJ's system is pretty much not very well attuned to football. CPJ's system works, and it has worked everywhere CPJ has been. At the same time, it's not for everyone. I made this analogy in another thread: Eating steak, potatos and salad gets the job done, and if you ate it every day there would be nothing wrong with it. It would serve its purpose. But the thing is, not everyone wants to eat steak, potatos, and salad every day. We hear the argument a lot that "Well, if you don't like CPJ's offense, you can always go back to Chan Gailey's pro style offense." The problem with that is the choices are not binary. It's not just Flex Option or "Pro Style". You brought up Lincoln Riley (well, actually I did orginally, but...). Lincoln Riley is an Air Raid guy. He played for Mike Leach as a walk on at Texas Tech, and he was actually the back up to Kliff Kingsbury (now the HC at TXTech) before transitioning to a student assistant. But the one thing Riley learned after leaving Leach and coaching at other places is Air Raid in itself is only going to get you so far. If you REALLY want to get DC's heads spinning, mix in sound running principles with the Air Raid and watch the offense take off. Take off it did. Riley actually runs the ball more than he passes, but he also has stable of RBs Leach could only dream of. You look at what Scott Frost did with Chip Kelly's offense. [URL]https://blogs.usafootball.com/blog/4999/how-scott-frost-evolved-chip-kelly-s-offense-at-central-florida[/URL] Today's football is the Cambrian Explosion in terms of all these new offenses taking off, old concepts being reinvigorated with new ideas and being applied in exciting ways. In 20-30 years, football historians will look at this period of football as probably the most innovative period of football. Good offenses evolve over time, because defenses evolve over time as well. It was much easier running the Flex Option in 2008 and 2009 than it is now. We're no longer an exotic offense, defenses in the ACC have seen us for 10 years now. Even CPJ's disciples have changed things up to throw defenses off balance. As a GT fan, we're pretty simple: Does it work, and if it does, keep doing what we're doing. Don't make it complicated. CPJ echoes that "We've been doing for 30 years, and it's been working, so why change it up?" And he has a point. The counter point is this: Football is entertainment. Once someone stops being entertained, they move on to something else. Personally, I quit paying attention to the NFL because it's the same offenses every week. GT can continue to win with the flex option, but if no one shows up to watch it, it doesn't hurt anyone but GT. You can say "Well, offense X crapped the bad against Team Y", but all offenses crap the bed at some point. When our offense is humming, it's beautiful...but the flex option has been unwatchable more times than I care to recall as well. So I just took the LOOONG way to say: Just win. For those that like the offense, it's going to be the same no matter what. But for those that are not fans of this offense, winning makes it easier. Just win. [/QUOTE]
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