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The downfield lateral, why we don't see it?
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<blockquote data-quote="33jacket" data-source="post: 171156" data-attributes="member: 628"><p>alot of reasons....</p><p>first. The rugby field is 40% wider than the football field, making multiple wide option plays easier.</p><p>second, you can't forward pass in rugby.....so this is the only way to move it and the game is designed that way, but more importantly is the set piece</p><p>the set piece is the closest to 'snapping' the ball at the LOS. When you do a set piece (scrum or lineout) in rugby you can't have defenders lining up in a cover 3 zone waiting to head hunt the pitchman and ball carrier like you can in american football. All the players have to be within a yard or two of the ball, because you can't pass it you go wide and pitch and pitch. But all the defenders are at the LOS.</p><p></p><p>So this is the same in football...we pitch at the LOS since the defenders are close and easy to read...but once we get beyond that, even if we were able to keep pitch relationship which is almost impossible; then you have to worry about the deep S making a bee line to light you up. Our LB's don't have to be within a yard of the LOS. So after that first wave keeping the second relationship is almost impossible, because to get yardage you have to avoid deep defenders like CB, S, LBs....in rugby you don't have that issue. They are all at the LOS.</p><p></p><p>In american football, once the ball carrier and pitchman get beyond the LOS; so lets say JT pitches to Ike...now Ike has it and for some reason was able to be free enough to have a pitch relationship with Juene lets say (but I don't see how, since the field isn't wide enough like rugby), but lets just say this is the case. It is totally legal for the defense lined up in cover 2, 3 or quarters to come up full speed from 15 yards back and light the hell up Juene even without the ball. Just light him up...since he is considered a blocker and the ball carrier is beyond the LOS now. The D could freaking kill our skill position players every time we tried this trick.</p><p></p><p>And why thats different than what we do now, is juene is in blocking mode today. So he is the aggressor. If he has to worry about pitch relationship and the chance the ball is pitched to him...his man goes untouched. Totally untouched. Who then is free to light anyone up. Because in american football you can spread the D around the field....is why this doesn't work. </p><p></p><p>can there be some concepts to infuse into some play designs...maybe, but as a pure pitch, pitch option; you take away too many blockers, the field isn't as wide and the D's are spread out to kill that second wave of pitching....just wouldn't work on a consistent play basis.</p><p></p><p>hook and ladder sure. The odd option and someone gets free down the sideline and we pitch to him sure...but as a designed play...just wouldn't work. It works in chaos mode vs set plays in football</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="33jacket, post: 171156, member: 628"] alot of reasons.... first. The rugby field is 40% wider than the football field, making multiple wide option plays easier. second, you can't forward pass in rugby.....so this is the only way to move it and the game is designed that way, but more importantly is the set piece the set piece is the closest to 'snapping' the ball at the LOS. When you do a set piece (scrum or lineout) in rugby you can't have defenders lining up in a cover 3 zone waiting to head hunt the pitchman and ball carrier like you can in american football. All the players have to be within a yard or two of the ball, because you can't pass it you go wide and pitch and pitch. But all the defenders are at the LOS. So this is the same in football...we pitch at the LOS since the defenders are close and easy to read...but once we get beyond that, even if we were able to keep pitch relationship which is almost impossible; then you have to worry about the deep S making a bee line to light you up. Our LB's don't have to be within a yard of the LOS. So after that first wave keeping the second relationship is almost impossible, because to get yardage you have to avoid deep defenders like CB, S, LBs....in rugby you don't have that issue. They are all at the LOS. In american football, once the ball carrier and pitchman get beyond the LOS; so lets say JT pitches to Ike...now Ike has it and for some reason was able to be free enough to have a pitch relationship with Juene lets say (but I don't see how, since the field isn't wide enough like rugby), but lets just say this is the case. It is totally legal for the defense lined up in cover 2, 3 or quarters to come up full speed from 15 yards back and light the hell up Juene even without the ball. Just light him up...since he is considered a blocker and the ball carrier is beyond the LOS now. The D could freaking kill our skill position players every time we tried this trick. And why thats different than what we do now, is juene is in blocking mode today. So he is the aggressor. If he has to worry about pitch relationship and the chance the ball is pitched to him...his man goes untouched. Totally untouched. Who then is free to light anyone up. Because in american football you can spread the D around the field....is why this doesn't work. can there be some concepts to infuse into some play designs...maybe, but as a pure pitch, pitch option; you take away too many blockers, the field isn't as wide and the D's are spread out to kill that second wave of pitching....just wouldn't work on a consistent play basis. hook and ladder sure. The odd option and someone gets free down the sideline and we pitch to him sure...but as a designed play...just wouldn't work. It works in chaos mode vs set plays in football [/QUOTE]
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