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<blockquote data-quote="FredJacket" data-source="post: 936807" data-attributes="member: 2843"><p>If I'm interpreting your "hook speed" / "leash length" philosophy (over time), I'll push back a "little" on it. Here's my 2 cents (no particular order):</p><p></p><p>1) Hall's trend IS to replace struggling pitchers quicker. Over the last few seasons (since DBo arrived), I think we've seen a clear change in how fast pitchers are replaced. I believe this is directly related to deeper bullpens over the last few years... credit recruiting and DBo. There are still specific scenarios you can point to where he's been slow; but the trend is certainly that he is faster (more on that follows).</p><p></p><p>2) When (how quickly) to replace a pitcher is situationally dependent. This is probably where I disagree with you the most. It cannot and should not be as black/white as 2 walks and replace him. You'll burn through too many pitchers... I believe. A lot of factors go into managing a pitching staff and bullpen. There are a finite number of arms available any given day (and that number changes depending on previous days' work and future schedule). Anytime you have a guy throwing the ball whether in the game... in the pen... or on off days, you're impacting the number of innings/pitches he's available 'in game'. [the info the coaches have regarding availability on a given gameday is not something we (as fans) are privy to] The fact we seem to be as deep this year as we've ever been with our pitching should translate to more guys seeing the mound than we've ever seen before... a good sign... and likely will result in one of the best years (statistically) for Ga Tech pitching in a long long while. …but it's very early yet. But... again, I believe Hall's/Ga Tech's reputation (going back years) on pitching is related a lack of talent... not coaching philosophy. [of note.. the lack of talent is on Hall too; but that's a different discussion]</p><p></p><p>3) Early inning struggles v mid/late inning struggles. To emphasize my point about situations. NOBODY (especially me) likes to see free bases given up anytime during the game. It's always been a point of emphasis.. yet, we still see it from time to time.. which is extremely frustrating. However, if the starting pitcher walks 1-3 guys in the 1st inning... the decision to get someone up 'right away' is not something "most coaches" do. It simply isn't. Basically this scenario is one of those "worst case" situations and the team giving up the freebies is screwed (usually). Unfortunately (or fortunately... depending on how you look at it), Ga Tech seems more than capable of scoring runs over 9 innings of offense to overcome a big crooked number in the early innings. Are the coaches 'smart' to not use up another bullpen arm to get out of that worst case scenario? So far (this season), yes... they look like geniuses (tic). <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /> I cannot think of a single time this year where the game was close (within 3 runs) beyond the 4th inning and Coach Hall was not very quick to get guys ready in the pen and replace a pitcher giving up baserunners. His trend is to pull pitchers faster when the situation dictates it. OTOH, when the game is quite lopsided... I give the coaches the benefit of the doubt too... on exactly what they may be "thinking" regarding managing the pitching. It is an opportunity to give guys chance to work on things (like fixing control issues) with the luxury of live action and a large lead (or deficit). I also REALLY HOPE that how any decision like that may effect (negatively) a player's stats for draft purposes has little to no impact on those decisions. A player's draft status can/will be play out as it should based on a bunch of factors; and theoretically the only way to improve your stats is to pitch. The "that messed up his ERA" is a hindsight thing.</p><p></p><p>4) Seeing a bad outing coming? Some have suggested the coaches should somehow know before the game even starts (based on pre-game warmup? I guess?) if a guy just "doesn't have it" for that outing. I have heard many pitchers after 'career outings' (i.e. no-hitters in MLB) be asked if they knew before the game if something great/different was in the works. Several times guys said the opposite... the bullpen pregame "sucked... I was all over the place"... yet, they ended up figuring something out. Besides... it is speculation to say there was any indication pregame those guys who struggled this year.</p><p></p><p>5) Now... I'm just an old man watching from my couch 600 miles from Atlanta trying to keep my beer/game quotient as low as possible... 4hrs is a long time to have to spread the cold ones out. I also find myself appearing to be 'defending' our coaches when I don't want to... really. Our program has been consistently GOOD for over 40 years now...from the time Jim Morris arrive in 1982. Think about that. It just hasn't managed to be as GREAT as is probably could have / should have been at times... given the talent. I want more too... but baseball is a fickle little lady.</p><p></p><p>6) I agree with others too that as the competition rapidly begins to improve (over Miami Ohio & Tenn Tech) here immediately... hopefully, the trend of getting behind early is reversed. Not sustainable.</p><p></p><p>7) I made that too long... apologies.</p><p></p><p>GO JACKETS!!!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="FredJacket, post: 936807, member: 2843"] If I'm interpreting your "hook speed" / "leash length" philosophy (over time), I'll push back a "little" on it. Here's my 2 cents (no particular order): 1) Hall's trend IS to replace struggling pitchers quicker. Over the last few seasons (since DBo arrived), I think we've seen a clear change in how fast pitchers are replaced. I believe this is directly related to deeper bullpens over the last few years... credit recruiting and DBo. There are still specific scenarios you can point to where he's been slow; but the trend is certainly that he is faster (more on that follows). 2) When (how quickly) to replace a pitcher is situationally dependent. This is probably where I disagree with you the most. It cannot and should not be as black/white as 2 walks and replace him. You'll burn through too many pitchers... I believe. A lot of factors go into managing a pitching staff and bullpen. There are a finite number of arms available any given day (and that number changes depending on previous days' work and future schedule). Anytime you have a guy throwing the ball whether in the game... in the pen... or on off days, you're impacting the number of innings/pitches he's available 'in game'. [the info the coaches have regarding availability on a given gameday is not something we (as fans) are privy to] The fact we seem to be as deep this year as we've ever been with our pitching should translate to more guys seeing the mound than we've ever seen before... a good sign... and likely will result in one of the best years (statistically) for Ga Tech pitching in a long long while. …but it's very early yet. But... again, I believe Hall's/Ga Tech's reputation (going back years) on pitching is related a lack of talent... not coaching philosophy. [of note.. the lack of talent is on Hall too; but that's a different discussion] 3) Early inning struggles v mid/late inning struggles. To emphasize my point about situations. NOBODY (especially me) likes to see free bases given up anytime during the game. It's always been a point of emphasis.. yet, we still see it from time to time.. which is extremely frustrating. However, if the starting pitcher walks 1-3 guys in the 1st inning... the decision to get someone up 'right away' is not something "most coaches" do. It simply isn't. Basically this scenario is one of those "worst case" situations and the team giving up the freebies is screwed (usually). Unfortunately (or fortunately... depending on how you look at it), Ga Tech seems more than capable of scoring runs over 9 innings of offense to overcome a big crooked number in the early innings. Are the coaches 'smart' to not use up another bullpen arm to get out of that worst case scenario? So far (this season), yes... they look like geniuses (tic). :) I cannot think of a single time this year where the game was close (within 3 runs) beyond the 4th inning and Coach Hall was not very quick to get guys ready in the pen and replace a pitcher giving up baserunners. His trend is to pull pitchers faster when the situation dictates it. OTOH, when the game is quite lopsided... I give the coaches the benefit of the doubt too... on exactly what they may be "thinking" regarding managing the pitching. It is an opportunity to give guys chance to work on things (like fixing control issues) with the luxury of live action and a large lead (or deficit). I also REALLY HOPE that how any decision like that may effect (negatively) a player's stats for draft purposes has little to no impact on those decisions. A player's draft status can/will be play out as it should based on a bunch of factors; and theoretically the only way to improve your stats is to pitch. The "that messed up his ERA" is a hindsight thing. 4) Seeing a bad outing coming? Some have suggested the coaches should somehow know before the game even starts (based on pre-game warmup? I guess?) if a guy just "doesn't have it" for that outing. I have heard many pitchers after 'career outings' (i.e. no-hitters in MLB) be asked if they knew before the game if something great/different was in the works. Several times guys said the opposite... the bullpen pregame "sucked... I was all over the place"... yet, they ended up figuring something out. Besides... it is speculation to say there was any indication pregame those guys who struggled this year. 5) Now... I'm just an old man watching from my couch 600 miles from Atlanta trying to keep my beer/game quotient as low as possible... 4hrs is a long time to have to spread the cold ones out. I also find myself appearing to be 'defending' our coaches when I don't want to... really. Our program has been consistently GOOD for over 40 years now...from the time Jim Morris arrive in 1982. Think about that. It just hasn't managed to be as GREAT as is probably could have / should have been at times... given the talent. I want more too... but baseball is a fickle little lady. 6) I agree with others too that as the competition rapidly begins to improve (over Miami Ohio & Tenn Tech) here immediately... hopefully, the trend of getting behind early is reversed. Not sustainable. 7) I made that too long... apologies. GO JACKETS!!! [/QUOTE]
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