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<blockquote data-quote="Root4GT" data-source="post: 996252" data-attributes="member: 5618"><p>You said – “First, that doesn't address the idea that games towards the end of the year are more indicative of the next year's play than the ones earlier in the year.” <strong><em>This is your assumption. It is not factually backed up in general. You used Purdue as an example. Their play at the end of last year was not nearly as good as their overall season, they went 5-7 in their last 12 games including a first round exit in the NCAAT as a #1 seed. They were expected to be good this year as they are returning the 2023 College Basketball Player of the Year plus as you said a total of 7 regulars. Who returns matters far more than how the team played its last 10-12 games.</em></strong></p><p></p><p>You said - even with that you could just skip to the "Even after the roster overhaul the roster" portion and go from there. But the reality is you don't want to have set any kind of expectation because it allows you to avoid having to deal with the possibility of expectations not being met. <strong><em>This is a total BS response. It is who returns that is the correlation to the prior year. GT returned 4 players of which only 3 have played. So how last year’s last 10 games played out are of little to no value in predicting how this year’s team would perform. For all practical purposes it is a new team, 9 of the 12 players are new this year! If you can’t see that, no one can help you!</em></strong></p><p></p><p>You said – “The real sad thing is that if posters weren't so dead set on defending CDS to the point of placing no responsibility on him for the current team, there would be an easy argument to make to be optimistic.” <strong><em> Coaches are responsible for their team’s performance and won/loss record. CDS is responsible for this season 9-10 (2-6) record at this point in the season. I have not seen anyone saying he is not responsible for that record. </em></strong></p><p></p><p>You said – “The players who have responded the best to CDS are the freshmen George and Ndongo. With the exception of Reeves, almost no other players can really be said to have responded that well to him…” <strong><em>I agree on Ndongo and George, they have been very well for freshmen. Reeves is a far better player at GT than he was at Florida. In his 2 years at FLA he shot 38/26/71 for 8.5ppg while this year at GT he is shooting 45/40/82 for 12ppg. That is a major improvement.</em></strong></p><p><strong><em></em></strong></p><p><strong><em>Comparison for Coleman and Sturdivant respectively - shot/scored/min per game:</em></strong></p><p><strong><em>2022-23 // Coleman: 38/32/69 for 9.5ppg in 31 min/game</em></strong></p><p><strong><em>2023-24 // Coleman: 42/37/60 for 7.2ppg in 22 min/game</em></strong></p><p><strong><em></em></strong></p><p><strong><em>2022-23 // Sturdivant: 39/32/73 for 8.6ppg in 24 min/game</em></strong></p><p><strong><em>2023-24 // Sturdivant: 43/36/87 for 8.2ppg in 19 min/game</em></strong></p><p><strong><em></em></strong></p><p><strong><em>Both are better shooters this season. Combined they are scoring 2.7 ppg fewer than last year in 14 fewer min/game combined. They are playing better this year with fewer minutes that predominantly are going to George and Reeves. I have no issue with that as I believe George and Reeves are better overall players than Sturdivant and Coleman. My opinion, you may disagree. Both are opinions.</em></strong></p><p></p><p>Your comment “no other players can really be said to have responded that well to him” is 100% false as the numbers above demonstrated that 2 of the 3 returning players are playing better this year.</p><p></p><p>Kelly is clearly shooting much worse this year! That is not disputable in any manner. If you recall CDS said before the season that Kelley had to play at an All ACC / All American level for GT to have a successful season. Kelly clearly has not done that! None of us know what his shooting issue is but it is real and has been the #1 reason this year’s team isn’t winning as often as we would like.</p><p></p><p>VT will be a tough game in Blacksburg. GT hasn't won many times there. They can shoot 3s very well. Coach Young is in his th season and his guys know his system. Go Jackets</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Root4GT, post: 996252, member: 5618"] You said – “First, that doesn't address the idea that games towards the end of the year are more indicative of the next year's play than the ones earlier in the year.” [B][I]This is your assumption. It is not factually backed up in general. You used Purdue as an example. Their play at the end of last year was not nearly as good as their overall season, they went 5-7 in their last 12 games including a first round exit in the NCAAT as a #1 seed. They were expected to be good this year as they are returning the 2023 College Basketball Player of the Year plus as you said a total of 7 regulars. Who returns matters far more than how the team played its last 10-12 games.[/I][/B] You said - even with that you could just skip to the "Even after the roster overhaul the roster" portion and go from there. But the reality is you don't want to have set any kind of expectation because it allows you to avoid having to deal with the possibility of expectations not being met. [B][I]This is a total BS response. It is who returns that is the correlation to the prior year. GT returned 4 players of which only 3 have played. So how last year’s last 10 games played out are of little to no value in predicting how this year’s team would perform. For all practical purposes it is a new team, 9 of the 12 players are new this year! If you can’t see that, no one can help you![/I][/B] You said – “The real sad thing is that if posters weren't so dead set on defending CDS to the point of placing no responsibility on him for the current team, there would be an easy argument to make to be optimistic.” [B][I] Coaches are responsible for their team’s performance and won/loss record. CDS is responsible for this season 9-10 (2-6) record at this point in the season. I have not seen anyone saying he is not responsible for that record. [/I][/B] You said – “The players who have responded the best to CDS are the freshmen George and Ndongo. With the exception of Reeves, almost no other players can really be said to have responded that well to him…” [B][I]I agree on Ndongo and George, they have been very well for freshmen. Reeves is a far better player at GT than he was at Florida. In his 2 years at FLA he shot 38/26/71 for 8.5ppg while this year at GT he is shooting 45/40/82 for 12ppg. That is a major improvement. Comparison for Coleman and Sturdivant respectively - shot/scored/min per game: 2022-23 // Coleman: 38/32/69 for 9.5ppg in 31 min/game 2023-24 // Coleman: 42/37/60 for 7.2ppg in 22 min/game 2022-23 // Sturdivant: 39/32/73 for 8.6ppg in 24 min/game 2023-24 // Sturdivant: 43/36/87 for 8.2ppg in 19 min/game Both are better shooters this season. Combined they are scoring 2.7 ppg fewer than last year in 14 fewer min/game combined. They are playing better this year with fewer minutes that predominantly are going to George and Reeves. I have no issue with that as I believe George and Reeves are better overall players than Sturdivant and Coleman. My opinion, you may disagree. Both are opinions.[/I][/B] Your comment “no other players can really be said to have responded that well to him” is 100% false as the numbers above demonstrated that 2 of the 3 returning players are playing better this year. Kelly is clearly shooting much worse this year! That is not disputable in any manner. If you recall CDS said before the season that Kelley had to play at an All ACC / All American level for GT to have a successful season. Kelly clearly has not done that! None of us know what his shooting issue is but it is real and has been the #1 reason this year’s team isn’t winning as often as we would like. VT will be a tough game in Blacksburg. GT hasn't won many times there. They can shoot 3s very well. Coach Young is in his th season and his guys know his system. Go Jackets [/QUOTE]
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