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<blockquote data-quote="vamosjackets" data-source="post: 575891" data-attributes="member: 216"><p>This is a really bad argument. Seriously. I want to bring out the Billy Madison line on this thing ... "At no point in this rambling, incoherent, ... I award you no points and may God have mercy on your soul."</p><p></p><p>I never said there weren't gray areas in the world. It seems you want to make everything gray, or at least anything that justifies an internal desire. That is human nature, isn't it - which is why there is an obvious need for a transcendent standard outside of human nature. So, let's say there are 3 bins in the world, black, white, and gray. Where do lying and cheating go? What you're doing is called deflecting. Your whole response was to deflect from your own conscience. And, you could deflect again by coming up with an example of lying and cheating for a greater good, like "What if you lied and cheated to keep someone out of a Nazi concentration camp?" And, I'd go, "Well, yeah, but please stop deflecting from the situation at hand." Lying and cheating for selfish gain to the detriment of others goes in the black bin, not the gray one.</p><p></p><p>The illustration you gave is sooooo far off the mark. You can't fool everyone with that, though you can fool a few that just want to agree with you so bad, their logic is blurred. The illustration could be adjusted thusly: If the whorehouse folk come put money in the plate at the church, what should the church do with the money? Answer: they should spend the heck out of it to serve their mission and never think about looking back. What we have here is not that, it's more akin to the priest participating in the whorehouse debauchery. And it seems from this threat that a few in the church are saying, "Whoa, that's not gonna fly in our church", while the new majority are saying, "Well, I've been with a few whores in my time, who are we to judge, let's just let it all go, look at these cool new 3-stripe hymnals!"</p><p></p><p>As I said before, I'm willing to pay the price ... I'm trying to figure out if there actually is anything wrong first, if you don't mind. I'm not against CGC - it could very well be that he's done nothing wrong. I guess you want me gone. Maybe you'll get your wish, maybe not.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="vamosjackets, post: 575891, member: 216"] This is a really bad argument. Seriously. I want to bring out the Billy Madison line on this thing ... "At no point in this rambling, incoherent, ... I award you no points and may God have mercy on your soul." I never said there weren't gray areas in the world. It seems you want to make everything gray, or at least anything that justifies an internal desire. That is human nature, isn't it - which is why there is an obvious need for a transcendent standard outside of human nature. So, let's say there are 3 bins in the world, black, white, and gray. Where do lying and cheating go? What you're doing is called deflecting. Your whole response was to deflect from your own conscience. And, you could deflect again by coming up with an example of lying and cheating for a greater good, like "What if you lied and cheated to keep someone out of a Nazi concentration camp?" And, I'd go, "Well, yeah, but please stop deflecting from the situation at hand." Lying and cheating for selfish gain to the detriment of others goes in the black bin, not the gray one. The illustration you gave is sooooo far off the mark. You can't fool everyone with that, though you can fool a few that just want to agree with you so bad, their logic is blurred. The illustration could be adjusted thusly: If the whorehouse folk come put money in the plate at the church, what should the church do with the money? Answer: they should spend the heck out of it to serve their mission and never think about looking back. What we have here is not that, it's more akin to the priest participating in the whorehouse debauchery. And it seems from this threat that a few in the church are saying, "Whoa, that's not gonna fly in our church", while the new majority are saying, "Well, I've been with a few whores in my time, who are we to judge, let's just let it all go, look at these cool new 3-stripe hymnals!" As I said before, I'm willing to pay the price ... I'm trying to figure out if there actually is anything wrong first, if you don't mind. I'm not against CGC - it could very well be that he's done nothing wrong. I guess you want me gone. Maybe you'll get your wish, maybe not. [/QUOTE]
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