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<blockquote data-quote="MtnWasp" data-source="post: 693504" data-attributes="member: 4110"><p>I posted these thoughts in the Louisville game thread and a couple of fonts expressed interest. So, I'll paste a long Hive post as a separate topic in case folks want to discuss/critique it:</p><p></p><p>Coach Pastner made an interesting remark in a recent presser that he decided to simply scrap the Princeton offense going into the tournament in Hawaii. Since then e have been initiating the offense with the use of high pick and rolls to get the PG into the paint.</p><p></p><p>The Princeton offensse is a "One-in, four-out" offense where the "one-in" is the Center who triggers the offense from just outside the foul line to cutters or spot-up three point shooters. A misnomer about the offense is that it is slow. It is a half court set but every team runs a half court set. It is predicated on having a skilled Center ("One-in") who has excellent court awareness, excellent passing ability and can shoot the ball facing up. It is also predicated on all four of the "four-out" players being able to make the defense respect the perimeter shot which will open the floor and create space for back-door cuts. Having four perimeter shooters is about spacing and stretching the defense to give room for cutters.</p><p></p><p>GT had been trying to run this offense for 3.5 seasons. It is an interesting history:</p><p></p><p>In year one the offense was of great benefit for a few reasons. Lammers was a revelation and was perfect to run it. Q Stephens was an outside threat and had the quickness to be a cutter and Okogie had the right combination os slashing and shooting ability at the other wing. That combo was enough to challenge defenses, especially when they had not seen us yet. The lack of three point shots from the guard spots was a limitation, but Lammers, Okogie and Q were enough to be competitive.</p><p></p><p>We ran into trouble in year two because GT didn't have a versatile, stretch 4 to replace Stephens. The staff did a remarkable job of developing Gueye into an capable post-up scorer, but he did not have the skill set to play one of the "four-out" positions and was not a face-up threat, nor did he have the court awareness to be the "one-in" trigger man that would have allowed Lammers to step-out (nor was Gueye an adequate belly- up post defender).</p><p></p><p>Therefore, the offense was left with "Two-in" and "Three-out" and that the offense didn't really work efficiently with that configuration because it negated the spacing benefits of the offense and allowed defenses to sag. Of course, all the injury mayhem didn't help: Lammers' ankle, Okogie's finger (7games), Alvarado's Elbow (7 ACC games) and Haywood's shin.</p><p></p><p>Year three was also bad. One of our most efficient scorers was Gueye, but the problem was the same. He didn't have the skills to be the trigger man in the Princeton offense, but also didn't have the skills to play one of the "Four-Out" spots. When Banks stepped in, he initially didn't have the skills to be the Princeton post trigger man either. He didn't show good enough hands, passing ability or court awareness to do what Lammers did. He did start to show some capability late in the year, however.</p><p></p><p>The offense in year three was also torpedoed by an epic shooting slump from the outside shooters. The offense was mired by not having a true Princeton trigger man, had to play "two-in, three-out" much of the time (which didnt work well, like in year two) and we couldn't hit from three. No Bueno.</p><p></p><p>This year, the problems of the post emerged again. One of the best players on the team, Moses Wright, was not best suited for the Princeton offense. His skills are wasted setting him up in the corner when he is best getting the ball at the elbow. Also, Banks reverted back to having very unreliable hands at the trigger, and his court awareness seemed to come and go like a San Francisco fog. It just didn't work at all.</p><p></p><p>In four seasons, the Princeton offense has been undermined at GT for a few reasons:</p><p></p><p>1. After Lammers left, not having a Center with the skills to be an appropriate trigger man, face-up shooter to run the offense.</p><p></p><p>2. Having a four that is much more effective post scorer than perimeter scorer (thus precluding "Four-out")</p><p></p><p>3. Poor three point shooting.</p><p></p><p>Interestingly, the staff seems to have recruited a Center (Gigiberia) that is well suited to run the Princeton offense. And if we are fortunate enough to land Kai Sotto, he could definitely do it also. On the other hand, Meka doesn't bring a Princeton skill set. Moses Wright's skill set is not well suited to be a "Four-out" or a "One-in" in the Princeton offense, so as long as Wright is here, I don't anticipate seeing the Princeton offense next year either.</p><p></p><p>So, what is the plan moving forward, are we going to try to get back to "One-in, Four-out" or it is scrapped for good? Maybe Panther can ask coach Pastner if we are done with it forever at a future presser.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MtnWasp, post: 693504, member: 4110"] I posted these thoughts in the Louisville game thread and a couple of fonts expressed interest. So, I'll paste a long Hive post as a separate topic in case folks want to discuss/critique it: Coach Pastner made an interesting remark in a recent presser that he decided to simply scrap the Princeton offense going into the tournament in Hawaii. Since then e have been initiating the offense with the use of high pick and rolls to get the PG into the paint. The Princeton offensse is a "One-in, four-out" offense where the "one-in" is the Center who triggers the offense from just outside the foul line to cutters or spot-up three point shooters. A misnomer about the offense is that it is slow. It is a half court set but every team runs a half court set. It is predicated on having a skilled Center ("One-in") who has excellent court awareness, excellent passing ability and can shoot the ball facing up. It is also predicated on all four of the "four-out" players being able to make the defense respect the perimeter shot which will open the floor and create space for back-door cuts. Having four perimeter shooters is about spacing and stretching the defense to give room for cutters. GT had been trying to run this offense for 3.5 seasons. It is an interesting history: In year one the offense was of great benefit for a few reasons. Lammers was a revelation and was perfect to run it. Q Stephens was an outside threat and had the quickness to be a cutter and Okogie had the right combination os slashing and shooting ability at the other wing. That combo was enough to challenge defenses, especially when they had not seen us yet. The lack of three point shots from the guard spots was a limitation, but Lammers, Okogie and Q were enough to be competitive. We ran into trouble in year two because GT didn't have a versatile, stretch 4 to replace Stephens. The staff did a remarkable job of developing Gueye into an capable post-up scorer, but he did not have the skill set to play one of the "four-out" positions and was not a face-up threat, nor did he have the court awareness to be the "one-in" trigger man that would have allowed Lammers to step-out (nor was Gueye an adequate belly- up post defender). Therefore, the offense was left with "Two-in" and "Three-out" and that the offense didn't really work efficiently with that configuration because it negated the spacing benefits of the offense and allowed defenses to sag. Of course, all the injury mayhem didn't help: Lammers' ankle, Okogie's finger (7games), Alvarado's Elbow (7 ACC games) and Haywood's shin. Year three was also bad. One of our most efficient scorers was Gueye, but the problem was the same. He didn't have the skills to be the trigger man in the Princeton offense, but also didn't have the skills to play one of the "Four-Out" spots. When Banks stepped in, he initially didn't have the skills to be the Princeton post trigger man either. He didn't show good enough hands, passing ability or court awareness to do what Lammers did. He did start to show some capability late in the year, however. The offense in year three was also torpedoed by an epic shooting slump from the outside shooters. The offense was mired by not having a true Princeton trigger man, had to play "two-in, three-out" much of the time (which didnt work well, like in year two) and we couldn't hit from three. No Bueno. This year, the problems of the post emerged again. One of the best players on the team, Moses Wright, was not best suited for the Princeton offense. His skills are wasted setting him up in the corner when he is best getting the ball at the elbow. Also, Banks reverted back to having very unreliable hands at the trigger, and his court awareness seemed to come and go like a San Francisco fog. It just didn't work at all. In four seasons, the Princeton offense has been undermined at GT for a few reasons: 1. After Lammers left, not having a Center with the skills to be an appropriate trigger man, face-up shooter to run the offense. 2. Having a four that is much more effective post scorer than perimeter scorer (thus precluding "Four-out") 3. Poor three point shooting. Interestingly, the staff seems to have recruited a Center (Gigiberia) that is well suited to run the Princeton offense. And if we are fortunate enough to land Kai Sotto, he could definitely do it also. On the other hand, Meka doesn't bring a Princeton skill set. Moses Wright's skill set is not well suited to be a "Four-out" or a "One-in" in the Princeton offense, so as long as Wright is here, I don't anticipate seeing the Princeton offense next year either. So, what is the plan moving forward, are we going to try to get back to "One-in, Four-out" or it is scrapped for good? Maybe Panther can ask coach Pastner if we are done with it forever at a future presser. [/QUOTE]
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