RIP Bobby Caldwell, Starting FB Center 1962 (Link)

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Griffin I think. Ted Davis and Billy Martin were ends. I think all of them except Caldwell and possibly Griffin played pro ball. Stallings had a lengthy and successful career as a lb as I recall. Martin and Davis also played several yrs I think. Martin at the Davis at lb. I believe everyone except Stallings and Caldwell were the Tech squad again in 63. those are my recolections. I could be wrong on some of it.
 
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Griffin I think. Ted Davis and Billy Martin were ends. I think all of them except Caldwell and possibly Griffin played pro ball. Stallings had a lengthy and successful career as a lb as I recall. Martin and Davis also played several yrs I think. Martin at the Davis at lb. I believe everyone except Stallings and Caldwell were the Tech squad again in 63. those are my recolections. I could be wrong on some of it.
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Toner was the designated "Defensive Specialist" in the weird, shifting rules of that era.

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Toner was the designated "Defensive Specialist" in the weird, shifting rules of that era.

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Weird indeed. It was explained to me recently by a friend who was an SEC official at that time. You could substitute only one person at a time. When the ball turned over , the quarterback came out first. The "defensive specialist" replaced him. When the offense got the ball back, the quarterback came back in and the "defensive specialist " came out. Then the one substitute at a time rule still applied. I was a cornerback and got caught once against Auburn in Birmingham and had to play fullback and got caught again against Alabama in Grant Field and had to play defensive end. Generally, substitution was rare and you played seven and a half minutes a quarter without coming out. You played both offense and defense. It was truly a real player's game back then.
Sanity returned in 1965 and the free substitution rule returned.

Thanks for the word on Bobby Caldwell. Was also a fraternity brother of mine. Truly a great human being. RIP Bobby..
 
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Weird indeed. It was explained to me recently by a friend who was an SEC official at that time. You could substitute only one person at a time. When the ball turned over , the quarterback came out first. The "defensive specialist" replaced him. When the offense got the ball back, the quarterback came back in and the "defensive specialist " came out. Then the one substitute at a time rule still applied. I was a cornerback and got caught once against Auburn in Birmingham and had to play fullback and got caught again against Alabama in Grant Field and had to play defensive end. Generally, substitution was rare and you played seven and a half minutes a quarter without coming out. You played both offense and defense. It was truly a real player's game back then.
Sanity returned in 1965 and the free substitution rule returned.

Thanks for the word on Bobby Caldwell. Was also a fraternity brother of mine. Truly a great human being. RIP Bobby..
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Just a few years later when I was on the varsity in 1969-1971, it had changed to "two subs at a time, except for full subs on a change of possession." So for me, it was YeOldeDeeepSnap & Tommy Chapman in 1969, YODS & Chip Pallman in 1970, then Punter by Committee in 1971.
 

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Just a few years later when I was on the varsity in 1969-1971, it had changed to "two subs at a time, except for full subs on a change of possession." So for me, it was YeOldeDeeepSnap & Tommy Chapman in 1969, YODS & Chip Pallman in 1970, then Punter by Committee in 1971.
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I am sure I saw you play in 1971. Had just returned to GT after serving in the Navy. You must have been recruited by Dodd but played under Carson. What was it like with a head coaching change in the middle of your scholarship. How does it affect the locker room mentality . Was that the year we went to artificial turf.
 
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I am sure I saw you play in 1971. Had just returned to GT after serving in the Navy. You must have been recruited by Dodd but played under Carson. What was it like with a head coaching change in the middle of your scholarship. How does it affect the locker room mentality . Was that the year we went to artificial turf.
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Yes. I want to hear more too.

I still remember the 1970 team as one of the hardest hitting defenses of any team I’ve ever watched outside of the pros. I swear some of those hits you could feel up in the stands.

I always felt sorry for Carson. He followed the most popular coach in school history while drawing some of the toughest schedules we ever had. But I’ve heard lots of stories over the years about his conflicts with players.
 
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g0lftime said:
I am sure I saw you play in 1971. Had just returned to GT after serving in the Navy. You must have been recruited by Dodd but played under Carson. What was it like with a head coaching change in the middle of your scholarship. How does it affect the locker room mentality . Was that the year we went to artificial turf.
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Yes. I want to hear more too.

I still remember the 1970 team as one of the hardest hitting defenses of any team I’ve ever watched outside of the pros. I swear some of those hits you could feel up in the stands.

I always felt sorry for Carson. He followed the most popular coach in school history while drawing some of the toughest schedules we ever had. But I’ve heard lots of stories over the years about his conflicts with players.
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First things first: Truth be told I was a walk-on. IIRC We reportedly had 165 on full rides in 1968 including the Freshman Team. WOs ("PWO" is a 21st century concept) were cannon fodder & only had "tutoring" available after fall camp. After playing a full Varsity season in 1969 & lettering I got "Room & Board" the rest of my time at Tech, but I had to walk into Carson's office and ask for it.

As for the Locker Room, it was understandably split with even IMNSHO most of the Carson recruits eventually aligning with the Dodd recruits as the '70s rolled around.

As controlling as Carson & assistants like Leachman & Glanville were, they only got worse as the '71 (yes, that's the first AstroTurf) season went over the cliff. It was bad enough with just the two Atlanta papers & the three TV stations - I can't imagine how bad it would have been today. Not even the vitriol for Lewis (who was well liked as a GT assistant) or Collins is anywhere near as bad.

But don't feel sorry for Budro - he earned it with his disdain for the "student" in "student-athlete." At our 25th Sun Bowl Reunion in '95 I heard him say "I never understood what was so hard about Hotel Management." Throw in the 1970 "Sun Bowl Rebellion" - full pads & 9PM practices during Final Week - you start to understand why & how he lost the locker room in 1970, not 1971 and the down vote to play in the Peach Bowl was the line in the sand.

Thanks for asking.... THWG!
 
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