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<blockquote data-quote="stylee" data-source="post: 482057" data-attributes="member: 882"><p>Vad 2013: 45.6% completion rate; 1571 yards; 8.7 yards/attempt; 11 touchdowns; 10 picks</p><p></p><p>JT 2014: 51.3% completion rate; 1719 yards; 9.2 yards/attempt; 18 touchdowns; 6 picks</p><p></p><p></p><p>Vad was not that great a passer. Maybe his lack of development is CPJ's fault. Maybe he <em>would have been </em>a better passer than JT, if only he had been allowed to "get into a groove" with more throws, or he is a unique player in that he's an amazing passer out of the shotgun and a below-average one from under center. Maybe. But all available evidence indicates that Vad was not that great a passer and that CPJ had no real reason to "open things up" with Vad. </p><p></p><p>Yeah, he had a strong arm. When he was on, he was very accurate. But he wasn't always on. And he was really inconsistent with his passing reads, often missing open receivers. He had a great arm but he simply wasn't much of a passing quarterback. </p><p></p><p>Vad is proof that most of our perceptions our colored by our expectations. People talk about him as if he were Dan Marino. What did he do at the Division 1 level to establish that he was a good throwing quarterback? Look at Tevin in 2012: 56.4%, 1222 yards; 9.2 yards/attempt; 8 touchdowns; 4 picks. That's splitting time with Vad. And that's with Jeff Effing Greene as his top WR target, followed by the immortal Jeremy Moore. </p><p></p><p>But no one says "CPJ should have adapted his offense to Tevin's unique skill as a passer!" No, his arm wasn't as strong, but he was a better throwing quarterback than Vad. Justin Thomas was a much better passer than Vad. </p><p></p><p>I think the arguments here that Vad's skillset should have made CPJ throw it more with him, despite all significant evidence, are the following:</p><p></p><p>A) He, more than JT or Tevin, needed to throw more to "get into a groove." I have no idea how one would go about proving this, as not even the "eye test" helps establish it.</p><p></p><p>B) He, more than JT or Tevin, was a better passer out of the gun or pistol than under center. Again, this is one of those things premised on the idea that there's just something different about Vad that made him look worse than the others. But, it's a bit more plausible in that some guys really are a little more comfortable out of the gun. But good passers are still good passers, even if some are better out of the gun. </p><p></p><p>C) He didn't have the wideouts. Well, his wideouts in 2013 were better than Tevin's in 2012. He had two NFL players at wideout. JT had the same two in 2014 and put up much better numbers. Sure, they developed over that year, but it's also really likely that their numbers weren't better in 2013 because their quarterback was not all that great at getting them the ball.</p><p></p><p>Our QBs as passers, ranked: </p><p></p><p>1) Tevin Washington</p><p>2) Justin Thomas</p><p>3) Joshua Nesbitt</p><p>4) Taquan Marshall</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="stylee, post: 482057, member: 882"] Vad 2013: 45.6% completion rate; 1571 yards; 8.7 yards/attempt; 11 touchdowns; 10 picks JT 2014: 51.3% completion rate; 1719 yards; 9.2 yards/attempt; 18 touchdowns; 6 picks Vad was not that great a passer. Maybe his lack of development is CPJ's fault. Maybe he [I]would have been [/I]a better passer than JT, if only he had been allowed to "get into a groove" with more throws, or he is a unique player in that he's an amazing passer out of the shotgun and a below-average one from under center. Maybe. But all available evidence indicates that Vad was not that great a passer and that CPJ had no real reason to "open things up" with Vad. Yeah, he had a strong arm. When he was on, he was very accurate. But he wasn't always on. And he was really inconsistent with his passing reads, often missing open receivers. He had a great arm but he simply wasn't much of a passing quarterback. Vad is proof that most of our perceptions our colored by our expectations. People talk about him as if he were Dan Marino. What did he do at the Division 1 level to establish that he was a good throwing quarterback? Look at Tevin in 2012: 56.4%, 1222 yards; 9.2 yards/attempt; 8 touchdowns; 4 picks. That's splitting time with Vad. And that's with Jeff Effing Greene as his top WR target, followed by the immortal Jeremy Moore. But no one says "CPJ should have adapted his offense to Tevin's unique skill as a passer!" No, his arm wasn't as strong, but he was a better throwing quarterback than Vad. Justin Thomas was a much better passer than Vad. I think the arguments here that Vad's skillset should have made CPJ throw it more with him, despite all significant evidence, are the following: A) He, more than JT or Tevin, needed to throw more to "get into a groove." I have no idea how one would go about proving this, as not even the "eye test" helps establish it. B) He, more than JT or Tevin, was a better passer out of the gun or pistol than under center. Again, this is one of those things premised on the idea that there's just something different about Vad that made him look worse than the others. But, it's a bit more plausible in that some guys really are a little more comfortable out of the gun. But good passers are still good passers, even if some are better out of the gun. C) He didn't have the wideouts. Well, his wideouts in 2013 were better than Tevin's in 2012. He had two NFL players at wideout. JT had the same two in 2014 and put up much better numbers. Sure, they developed over that year, but it's also really likely that their numbers weren't better in 2013 because their quarterback was not all that great at getting them the ball. Our QBs as passers, ranked: 1) Tevin Washington 2) Justin Thomas 3) Joshua Nesbitt 4) Taquan Marshall [/QUOTE]
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