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<blockquote data-quote="RamblinRed" data-source="post: 530201" data-attributes="member: 1776"><p>Some thoughts.</p><p></p><p>The graphic was clearly cherry-picked, it shows some of the guys who started slow and rebuilt and eventually won. Obviously it doesn't show ones that started slow and never really won.</p><p>The biggest take away should be it is too early to tell whether Pastner will be successful here or not. Years 4 and 5 will show that one way or the other. FWIW, having looked at this before Yr 4 is usually a strong indicator. If a coach is going to succeed at an ACC school you usually see it by Year 4. The one exception is Hamilton who always seems to take 5-6 yrs but gets teams to a good play at that point.</p><p></p><p>I think the fanbase has a somewhat incorrect view of what Pastner was going to do here. Fans (including me) were thinking good recruiter, poor game coach based on his Memphis tenure.</p><p>But he did mention at his opening PC that he had made mistakes at Memphis and hoped to learn from them. One was recruiting based. Just signing highly ranked players isn't good enough. You have to find players that can play as a team and win.</p><p></p><p>He made it pretty clear what his plan was for GT and it was quite different from what he did at Memphis. He mentioned ND and UVA as the types of programs he wanted to emulate in terms of creating a good program with older players and consistent teams. That's not what he did at Memphis, partially because he followed Calipari and the fanbase there basically demanded the program be run the same way.</p><p></p><p>He has been basically the opposite of what he was at Memphis. Not a great recruiter, though some of that is because he isn't looking to sign alot of high 4 and 5 star guys like he was at Memphis, but a better player development coach and game coach. </p><p></p><p>With how young we are playing this year (currently 61% of min going to FR and SO - compare that to over 70% going to JR and SR his first year here) this year was almost destined to be a transition year without Okogie.</p><p></p><p>He may ultimately be the right coach here, or he may need to be replaced - but 2 1/2 yrs in it is simply too early to know for certain.</p><p>The poor recruiting class this past fall was very disappointing and puts a ton of pressure on 2020. If the staff swings and misses again next season then it will be obvious that he is likely not going to be the guy, but i'm not going to overly obsess about 1 class. I've seen one bad class followed up with a very strong class, so i'll wait for next fall to see what happens there.</p><p></p><p>It has stunk to be bad for basically a decade. I can take one more year but there needs to be a significant upswing next season (at least a solid NIT club if not a bubble NCAA team) or I will start to feel the book is starting to be written. Right now i'm not willing to assume how good the book is when we are only halfway into it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="RamblinRed, post: 530201, member: 1776"] Some thoughts. The graphic was clearly cherry-picked, it shows some of the guys who started slow and rebuilt and eventually won. Obviously it doesn't show ones that started slow and never really won. The biggest take away should be it is too early to tell whether Pastner will be successful here or not. Years 4 and 5 will show that one way or the other. FWIW, having looked at this before Yr 4 is usually a strong indicator. If a coach is going to succeed at an ACC school you usually see it by Year 4. The one exception is Hamilton who always seems to take 5-6 yrs but gets teams to a good play at that point. I think the fanbase has a somewhat incorrect view of what Pastner was going to do here. Fans (including me) were thinking good recruiter, poor game coach based on his Memphis tenure. But he did mention at his opening PC that he had made mistakes at Memphis and hoped to learn from them. One was recruiting based. Just signing highly ranked players isn't good enough. You have to find players that can play as a team and win. He made it pretty clear what his plan was for GT and it was quite different from what he did at Memphis. He mentioned ND and UVA as the types of programs he wanted to emulate in terms of creating a good program with older players and consistent teams. That's not what he did at Memphis, partially because he followed Calipari and the fanbase there basically demanded the program be run the same way. He has been basically the opposite of what he was at Memphis. Not a great recruiter, though some of that is because he isn't looking to sign alot of high 4 and 5 star guys like he was at Memphis, but a better player development coach and game coach. With how young we are playing this year (currently 61% of min going to FR and SO - compare that to over 70% going to JR and SR his first year here) this year was almost destined to be a transition year without Okogie. He may ultimately be the right coach here, or he may need to be replaced - but 2 1/2 yrs in it is simply too early to know for certain. The poor recruiting class this past fall was very disappointing and puts a ton of pressure on 2020. If the staff swings and misses again next season then it will be obvious that he is likely not going to be the guy, but i'm not going to overly obsess about 1 class. I've seen one bad class followed up with a very strong class, so i'll wait for next fall to see what happens there. It has stunk to be bad for basically a decade. I can take one more year but there needs to be a significant upswing next season (at least a solid NIT club if not a bubble NCAA team) or I will start to feel the book is starting to be written. Right now i'm not willing to assume how good the book is when we are only halfway into it. [/QUOTE]
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