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<blockquote data-quote="BleedGoldNWhite21" data-source="post: 755492" data-attributes="member: 2993"><p>I don’t think anyone on this board ever doubted that top tier talent didn’t want to play in the offense. It was the belief that we didn’t need top-tier talent because we could out-scheme people and that would be a good fit for us because we traditionally don’t get top-tier talent anyways. The stats back that up. The offense was never the problem. Our problem under CPJ was the defense. The Offensive scheme had no affect on defensive recruiting. The offense didn’t really need any better recruiting. We were constantly in the top 30 in scoring every year. And if we were able to build a better defense we could have easily averaged around 10 wins a season without changing our offensive players. If we were winning like that then we’d probably have gotten more talent on offense eventually too, because people like to play for a winner.</p><p></p><p>Our Points per game:</p><p></p><p>2018: 33</p><p>2017: 27.2</p><p>2016: 27.7</p><p>2015: 25.6</p><p>2014: 37.8</p><p>2013: 29.1</p><p>2012: 31.6</p><p>2011: 31.9</p><p>2010: 24.8</p><p>2009: 33.5</p><p>2008: 24.2</p><p></p><p>Now look at points per game for the 50th best Defense every year:</p><p>2018: 25.9</p><p>2017: 26.1</p><p>2016: 26.7</p><p>2015: 26.5</p><p>2014: 26.2(It was us!)</p><p>2013: 25.8</p><p>2012: 26.6</p><p>2011: 25.3</p><p>2010: 24.7</p><p>2009: 24.8</p><p>2008: 23.6</p><p></p><p>A 50th ranked defense is not asking for much. That would have been enough for us to win a lot of games with the exact same offense. Now, was poor defensive recruiting/development primarily a money thing or primarily a flaw of CPJ? That’s up for debate, but I would guess the chances of succeeding on that side would be better with more money than without it. That said, whether it’s fair or not, he ultimately failed on that end and the special teams. However, this board’s belief in the scheme over talent on offense was proven time and time again correct. It didn’t translate to as many wins as we wanted because the defense was a disaster.</p><p></p><p>Another thing you mentioned that is deeply incorrect is the claim DRad left because of the Option. He’s a <em>Clemson alum</em>. Of course he went there when he had the opportunity. The option had nothing to do with it. CPJ and DRad both liked each other and have spoken fondly of each other a lot. CPJ thanked him by name in his retirement speech and DRad released a public statement when CPJ retired. He wasn’t his first choice, but insinuating CPJ and his offense was why DRad left is just flat out wrong.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Coach Collins insinuated we’d go bowling this year when he said last Christmas he wouldn’t have another Christmas off this year. Why should we have lower expectations than our coach? I don’t think anyone is realistically expecting a 9-2 season or anything. We want competitive football and a look at improvement and I think, aside from a few haters, we’ve mostly been fair regarding that. We’ve been very complimentary after the two wins. This board was <em>NOT</em> that doom and gloom when we lost to UCF. We were down one score in the 4th against a very good football team and it got away from us. However, we were(fairly so, I’ll add) upset when we were down 17-0 to a bad Syracuse team and lost. Getting a spanking by 66 points from the most likely eventual national champion doesn’t help the medicine go down, either. That it is what it is, though. We’re 2-3 with six games to go. I think we could go 3-3 the rest of the way. I actually think most of this board would find a 5 win season acceptable due to being in the second season of a massive rebuilding process and the pandemic situation.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BleedGoldNWhite21, post: 755492, member: 2993"] I don’t think anyone on this board ever doubted that top tier talent didn’t want to play in the offense. It was the belief that we didn’t need top-tier talent because we could out-scheme people and that would be a good fit for us because we traditionally don’t get top-tier talent anyways. The stats back that up. The offense was never the problem. Our problem under CPJ was the defense. The Offensive scheme had no affect on defensive recruiting. The offense didn’t really need any better recruiting. We were constantly in the top 30 in scoring every year. And if we were able to build a better defense we could have easily averaged around 10 wins a season without changing our offensive players. If we were winning like that then we’d probably have gotten more talent on offense eventually too, because people like to play for a winner. Our Points per game: 2018: 33 2017: 27.2 2016: 27.7 2015: 25.6 2014: 37.8 2013: 29.1 2012: 31.6 2011: 31.9 2010: 24.8 2009: 33.5 2008: 24.2 Now look at points per game for the 50th best Defense every year: 2018: 25.9 2017: 26.1 2016: 26.7 2015: 26.5 2014: 26.2(It was us!) 2013: 25.8 2012: 26.6 2011: 25.3 2010: 24.7 2009: 24.8 2008: 23.6 A 50th ranked defense is not asking for much. That would have been enough for us to win a lot of games with the exact same offense. Now, was poor defensive recruiting/development primarily a money thing or primarily a flaw of CPJ? That’s up for debate, but I would guess the chances of succeeding on that side would be better with more money than without it. That said, whether it’s fair or not, he ultimately failed on that end and the special teams. However, this board’s belief in the scheme over talent on offense was proven time and time again correct. It didn’t translate to as many wins as we wanted because the defense was a disaster. Another thing you mentioned that is deeply incorrect is the claim DRad left because of the Option. He’s a [I]Clemson alum[/I]. Of course he went there when he had the opportunity. The option had nothing to do with it. CPJ and DRad both liked each other and have spoken fondly of each other a lot. CPJ thanked him by name in his retirement speech and DRad released a public statement when CPJ retired. He wasn’t his first choice, but insinuating CPJ and his offense was why DRad left is just flat out wrong. Coach Collins insinuated we’d go bowling this year when he said last Christmas he wouldn’t have another Christmas off this year. Why should we have lower expectations than our coach? I don’t think anyone is realistically expecting a 9-2 season or anything. We want competitive football and a look at improvement and I think, aside from a few haters, we’ve mostly been fair regarding that. We’ve been very complimentary after the two wins. This board was [I]NOT[/I] that doom and gloom when we lost to UCF. We were down one score in the 4th against a very good football team and it got away from us. However, we were(fairly so, I’ll add) upset when we were down 17-0 to a bad Syracuse team and lost. Getting a spanking by 66 points from the most likely eventual national champion doesn’t help the medicine go down, either. That it is what it is, though. We’re 2-3 with six games to go. I think we could go 3-3 the rest of the way. I actually think most of this board would find a 5 win season acceptable due to being in the second season of a massive rebuilding process and the pandemic situation. [/QUOTE]
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