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<blockquote data-quote="AE 87" data-source="post: 124012" data-attributes="member: 195"><p>Okay. Mark me down as ambivalent on whether the globe is warmer now than 50-100-150 years ago. I don't see evidence that it's significant or noteworthy.</p><p></p><p>I do agree with you that we typically need to agree on the facts before we discuss the interpretation of the facts. On this issue, however, I think it's significant, as the Curry quote from [USER=347]@Animal02[/USER] makes clear, that the new data doesn't match the expectation of the AGW models even if you accept them as facts. If you're ultimate goal is to discuss AGW, than it seems that you could start a conversation about that where you begin with the assumption that the data is correct, just for the sake of discussion.</p><p></p><p>Now, if you're goal is to use that particular press-release to discuss whether the global temperature has increased, then you need to be able to discuss that particular data set more than in just the generalities you used in your previous posts. You see, for me, there's just been so much bad science and dishonest reporting to give me confidence in some of the reported facts. As [USER=347]@Animal02[/USER] was saying (iiuc), when NASA and NOAA put out a press release saying that they found 2014 to be the warmest year when they really found that it was more likely not the warmest year, it suggests that they're not serious about science reporting. A more honest report of their own data would have been that Global Temperatures for 2014 remain at basically unchanged over the last 17 years. What's the difference between that honest title and the dishonest title they used?</p><p></p><p>Here's a Forbes article which discusses the two "climategate" scandals where e-mails reveal that scientists admit that politics affected how they reported data.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AE 87, post: 124012, member: 195"] Okay. Mark me down as ambivalent on whether the globe is warmer now than 50-100-150 years ago. I don't see evidence that it's significant or noteworthy. I do agree with you that we typically need to agree on the facts before we discuss the interpretation of the facts. On this issue, however, I think it's significant, as the Curry quote from [USER=347]@Animal02[/USER] makes clear, that the new data doesn't match the expectation of the AGW models even if you accept them as facts. If you're ultimate goal is to discuss AGW, than it seems that you could start a conversation about that where you begin with the assumption that the data is correct, just for the sake of discussion. Now, if you're goal is to use that particular press-release to discuss whether the global temperature has increased, then you need to be able to discuss that particular data set more than in just the generalities you used in your previous posts. You see, for me, there's just been so much bad science and dishonest reporting to give me confidence in some of the reported facts. As [USER=347]@Animal02[/USER] was saying (iiuc), when NASA and NOAA put out a press release saying that they found 2014 to be the warmest year when they really found that it was more likely not the warmest year, it suggests that they're not serious about science reporting. A more honest report of their own data would have been that Global Temperatures for 2014 remain at basically unchanged over the last 17 years. What's the difference between that honest title and the dishonest title they used? Here's a Forbes article which discusses the two "climategate" scandals where e-mails reveal that scientists admit that politics affected how they reported data. [/QUOTE]
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