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<blockquote data-quote="FredJacket" data-source="post: 421505" data-attributes="member: 2843"><p>I'm not an expert... but I am curious about these things. Trying to sort out the rule AND exactly what happened on Saturday. I still have questions (see end of this post)... and I do wish Ga Tech would do a better job of publishing an explanation. I'm certain the umpires explained it... right or wrong. It would be nice to get the explanation from the horse's mouth. </p><p></p><p>This was the situtation:</p><p>2 out - this matters</p><p>Runner on 1B (Hall) and 2B (Serratos) - this matters because it raises the question of whether Serratos crossed the plate before Radcliff "passed" the preceding runner (Hall).</p><p></p><p>Rule 8 (below) applies to Radcliff's "passing" of Hall. With 2 outs and a HR and the "pass"... Radcliff would be out (3rd out) and Hall would not have scored since he clearly did not cross home BEFORE the 3rd out. IF there had been less than 2 outs, Hall's run would have counted...assuming he continued to run bases and cross home plate (I think?)</p><p></p><p>These appear to be the relevant rules to this play:</p><p><em>Rule 8 / SECTION 5</em></p><p><em>A runner is out when:</em></p><p><em>m. <strong>The individual passes an unobstructed preceding runner before such runner is out.</strong> The ball is live; Note With fewer than two outs, if a batter, while running the bases after a home run outside the playing field, passes a preceding runner, the batter is out; but all preceding runners score. <strong>With two outs, only those preceding runners score who have touched the plate before the batter is declared out. This is a time play, not an appeal play</strong></em></p><p></p><p><em>Rule 5 / SECTION 8</em></p><p><em>d. If the score is tied at the end of nine innings, play shall be continued until one team has scored more runs than the other in an equal number of innings, except that if the last team at bat scores the winning run before the third player is out in any inning after the ninth, the game shall terminate and be a regulation game. Note: When the winning run is scored in the last half-inning of a regulation game, or in the last half-inning of an extra inning, <strong>as the result of a base on balls, hit batter or any other play with the bases full which forces the batter and all other runners to advance without liability of being put out</strong>, <strong>the umpire shall not declare the game ended until the runner forced to advance from third has touched home plate and the batter-runner has touched first base</strong>. An exception will be made if fans rush onto the field and physically prevent the runner from touching home plate or the batter-runner from touching first base. In such cases, the umpires shall award the runner the necessary bases with n appeal allowed</em></p><p>[Based on my research, this is the rule "change/add" that recently occurred (2017). I wonder if this rule applies because bases were not loaded; but in could be interpreted to apply since runners were advancing "without liability of being put out".]</p><p></p><p>My questions:</p><p>1) Irrespective of the "pass"... did Hall and Radcliff run the bases and both cross home plate? I assume they eventually did do this.</p><p>2) What was the ruling on the field? Did they simply miss Radcliff passing Hall?</p><p>3) When "exactly" did Serratos touch home plate relative to the Radcliff pass of Hall?</p><p>4) Did they interpret Rule 5 Section 8 (above) that the game was over when Radcliff touched 1st? ...they declared the game over when Serratos crossed home and Radcliff touched 1st.</p><p>5) Does Rule 5 Section 8 (above) even apply to the situation? The bases were not loaded.</p><p></p><p>IMO... that 2nd rule does not apply (or Rule 8/Section 5 supersedes). The final score should be 9-8 (assuming Serratos crossed home before Radcliff passed Hall). </p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/BA18.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/BA18.pdf</a></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="FredJacket, post: 421505, member: 2843"] I'm not an expert... but I am curious about these things. Trying to sort out the rule AND exactly what happened on Saturday. I still have questions (see end of this post)... and I do wish Ga Tech would do a better job of publishing an explanation. I'm certain the umpires explained it... right or wrong. It would be nice to get the explanation from the horse's mouth. This was the situtation: 2 out - this matters Runner on 1B (Hall) and 2B (Serratos) - this matters because it raises the question of whether Serratos crossed the plate before Radcliff "passed" the preceding runner (Hall). Rule 8 (below) applies to Radcliff's "passing" of Hall. With 2 outs and a HR and the "pass"... Radcliff would be out (3rd out) and Hall would not have scored since he clearly did not cross home BEFORE the 3rd out. IF there had been less than 2 outs, Hall's run would have counted...assuming he continued to run bases and cross home plate (I think?) These appear to be the relevant rules to this play: [I]Rule 8 / SECTION 5 A runner is out when: m. [B]The individual passes an unobstructed preceding runner before such runner is out.[/B] The ball is live; Note With fewer than two outs, if a batter, while running the bases after a home run outside the playing field, passes a preceding runner, the batter is out; but all preceding runners score. [B]With two outs, only those preceding runners score who have touched the plate before the batter is declared out. This is a time play, not an appeal play[/B][/I] [I]Rule 5 / SECTION 8 d. If the score is tied at the end of nine innings, play shall be continued until one team has scored more runs than the other in an equal number of innings, except that if the last team at bat scores the winning run before the third player is out in any inning after the ninth, the game shall terminate and be a regulation game. Note: When the winning run is scored in the last half-inning of a regulation game, or in the last half-inning of an extra inning, [B]as the result of a base on balls, hit batter or any other play with the bases full which forces the batter and all other runners to advance without liability of being put out[/B], [B]the umpire shall not declare the game ended until the runner forced to advance from third has touched home plate and the batter-runner has touched first base[/B]. An exception will be made if fans rush onto the field and physically prevent the runner from touching home plate or the batter-runner from touching first base. In such cases, the umpires shall award the runner the necessary bases with n appeal allowed[/I] [Based on my research, this is the rule "change/add" that recently occurred (2017). I wonder if this rule applies because bases were not loaded; but in could be interpreted to apply since runners were advancing "without liability of being put out".] My questions: 1) Irrespective of the "pass"... did Hall and Radcliff run the bases and both cross home plate? I assume they eventually did do this. 2) What was the ruling on the field? Did they simply miss Radcliff passing Hall? 3) When "exactly" did Serratos touch home plate relative to the Radcliff pass of Hall? 4) Did they interpret Rule 5 Section 8 (above) that the game was over when Radcliff touched 1st? ...they declared the game over when Serratos crossed home and Radcliff touched 1st. 5) Does Rule 5 Section 8 (above) even apply to the situation? The bases were not loaded. IMO... that 2nd rule does not apply (or Rule 8/Section 5 supersedes). The final score should be 9-8 (assuming Serratos crossed home before Radcliff passed Hall). [URL]http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/BA18.pdf[/URL] [/QUOTE]
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