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<blockquote data-quote="year_of_the_swarm" data-source="post: 821579" data-attributes="member: 3149"><p>I've been an open advocate of continuing the triple option, and think Monken is the best man for the job.... But let me break down your questions in what I believe to be a fair way.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Of course Georgia Tech has better talent than NIU. And they would have had better talent than NIU under Monken as well. But Georgia Tech is trying to run with the herd. Harder to do.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Absolutely disagree.... When you run a "herd" offense, in order to be better, you not only have to have equal or better players, but you must also have equal or better coaching.... Also, every team you play against is used to practicing against and competing against a "herd" offense.... Lesser teams are used to playing teams like that. Which again lends to the fact that you must recruit equal to or significantly better than your peers... and must coach equal to or better than your peers. But take "option" recruiting... Tobias Oliver had offers from Army, Mercer, and Troy. However, in the option system he is HIGHLY effective. So Georgia Tech is able to recruit a player that pretty much nobody wanted, and have a really good and impactful player. That is just one example. But it works throughout a lot of the offense.... Jordan Mason had a bunch of offers from nobodies, but is now an effective player and was a darn good BB.</p><p></p><p>So what I am trying to say is.... Collins is not recruiting nearly good enough for a herd offense to accomplish what Georgia Tech wants to accomplish. The 2021 class was ranked 49th by Rivals. The 2019 class was ranked 43. The 2017 class was ranked 41st by Rivals. And that class brought Tariq Carpenter, Tre Swilling, Jordan Mason, Jerry Howard, Tobias Oliver, and several good lineman that started a lot of games.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>At least for me personally, it's a combination of things. First, I love the offense. Second, I think it's the most underused asset in college football today.... So many programs can't even figure out how to snap the ball, and yet, the military academies (and Georgia Tech previously) showed that you will put a good offense on the field with it. It just works.... It worked for Georgia Tech. CPJ's biggest problem was he could never get the defense up to an elite level.</p><p></p><p>Now.... I think Monken focuses a lot more on ball control and defense than CPJ did. I think he's a more well-rounded coach. I think he prepares better. I think there is a reason why Monken, despite running the triple option, keeps coming up for coaching vacancies around the world of college football. He's in arguably the most challenging job in the nation to produce a consistent winner... and he's winning. I think he would recruit well at Georgia Tech for his system. He's nearly won at Michigan and Oklahoma without ANY players who could play at those schools.... I think he knows how to win regardless of the situation. The dude beat Florida without even attempting a pass.</p><p></p><p>I think it's a great fit for Georgia Tech... I also think its a great fit for lots of programs.. I think it gives Georgia Tech the best chance at consistent success. I said this years ago on this forum and I will say it again... </p><p></p><p>1.) Don't join the herd</p><p>2.) Schedule for winning</p><p>3.) Understand your limitations (and that you have them)</p><p>4.) Embrace your strengths</p><p>5.) Leave your ego at the door</p><p></p><p>I believe this with every fiber of my being..... if I was the athletic director at Georgia Tech.... The following scenario is nearly guaranteed to happen.</p><p></p><p>Decision 1 - Don't join the herd...Hire Jeff Monken.... He will bring in Nate Woody as defensive coordinator and Brent Davis as offensive coordinator.</p><p></p><p>Decision 2 - Schedule for winning. Every season we will play 4 straight games to get the rotation set, timing right, develop our players, etc. Those 4 games will all be FBS (not FCS), but be heavily in Georgia Techs favor...UMASS - Connecticut - Bowling Green - Tulane.... Next season: Western Kentucky - Troy - Southern Miss - Florida International.... Etc. </p><p></p><p>Georgia Tech should open every season 4-0. barring a big upset.</p><p></p><p>If the conference season were this year, I would feel really good about beating:</p><p>Pittsburgh at home</p><p>Boston College at home</p><p>Duke on the road</p><p>Virginia Tech at home</p><p></p><p>That's 8-4..... Maybe they beat UNC at home and get to 9-3.</p><p></p><p>That's what I would predict for this year under Monken, with a 4-0 start.</p><p></p><p>Understand your limitations... You think Tech is gonna hire some offensive coordinator from Clemson, Ohio State, or Alabama and run the table? It ain't gonna happen. The goal of the program is to be consistently good, always in a bowl game, and try to strike lightning every now and then and try to squeeze into a playoff. Realistically, how many times in a decade should Georgia Tech expect that? Once? Twice? They haven't played for one in 31 years. 3 decades and a year.</p><p></p><p>ALL THAT BEING SAID, that is the path I see. That doesn't mean nobody else can win at Georgia Tech. I don't think Geoff Collins will, but I think a "herd" coach can obviously win at Georgia Tech. That system wins all over the place. I think it will be more difficult, less entertaining, with more risk of failure, more inconsistent, etc... But I could be totally wrong on that.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="year_of_the_swarm, post: 821579, member: 3149"] I've been an open advocate of continuing the triple option, and think Monken is the best man for the job.... But let me break down your questions in what I believe to be a fair way. Of course Georgia Tech has better talent than NIU. And they would have had better talent than NIU under Monken as well. But Georgia Tech is trying to run with the herd. Harder to do. Absolutely disagree.... When you run a "herd" offense, in order to be better, you not only have to have equal or better players, but you must also have equal or better coaching.... Also, every team you play against is used to practicing against and competing against a "herd" offense.... Lesser teams are used to playing teams like that. Which again lends to the fact that you must recruit equal to or significantly better than your peers... and must coach equal to or better than your peers. But take "option" recruiting... Tobias Oliver had offers from Army, Mercer, and Troy. However, in the option system he is HIGHLY effective. So Georgia Tech is able to recruit a player that pretty much nobody wanted, and have a really good and impactful player. That is just one example. But it works throughout a lot of the offense.... Jordan Mason had a bunch of offers from nobodies, but is now an effective player and was a darn good BB. So what I am trying to say is.... Collins is not recruiting nearly good enough for a herd offense to accomplish what Georgia Tech wants to accomplish. The 2021 class was ranked 49th by Rivals. The 2019 class was ranked 43. The 2017 class was ranked 41st by Rivals. And that class brought Tariq Carpenter, Tre Swilling, Jordan Mason, Jerry Howard, Tobias Oliver, and several good lineman that started a lot of games. At least for me personally, it's a combination of things. First, I love the offense. Second, I think it's the most underused asset in college football today.... So many programs can't even figure out how to snap the ball, and yet, the military academies (and Georgia Tech previously) showed that you will put a good offense on the field with it. It just works.... It worked for Georgia Tech. CPJ's biggest problem was he could never get the defense up to an elite level. Now.... I think Monken focuses a lot more on ball control and defense than CPJ did. I think he's a more well-rounded coach. I think he prepares better. I think there is a reason why Monken, despite running the triple option, keeps coming up for coaching vacancies around the world of college football. He's in arguably the most challenging job in the nation to produce a consistent winner... and he's winning. I think he would recruit well at Georgia Tech for his system. He's nearly won at Michigan and Oklahoma without ANY players who could play at those schools.... I think he knows how to win regardless of the situation. The dude beat Florida without even attempting a pass. I think it's a great fit for Georgia Tech... I also think its a great fit for lots of programs.. I think it gives Georgia Tech the best chance at consistent success. I said this years ago on this forum and I will say it again... 1.) Don't join the herd 2.) Schedule for winning 3.) Understand your limitations (and that you have them) 4.) Embrace your strengths 5.) Leave your ego at the door I believe this with every fiber of my being..... if I was the athletic director at Georgia Tech.... The following scenario is nearly guaranteed to happen. Decision 1 - Don't join the herd...Hire Jeff Monken.... He will bring in Nate Woody as defensive coordinator and Brent Davis as offensive coordinator. Decision 2 - Schedule for winning. Every season we will play 4 straight games to get the rotation set, timing right, develop our players, etc. Those 4 games will all be FBS (not FCS), but be heavily in Georgia Techs favor...UMASS - Connecticut - Bowling Green - Tulane.... Next season: Western Kentucky - Troy - Southern Miss - Florida International.... Etc. Georgia Tech should open every season 4-0. barring a big upset. If the conference season were this year, I would feel really good about beating: Pittsburgh at home Boston College at home Duke on the road Virginia Tech at home That's 8-4..... Maybe they beat UNC at home and get to 9-3. That's what I would predict for this year under Monken, with a 4-0 start. Understand your limitations... You think Tech is gonna hire some offensive coordinator from Clemson, Ohio State, or Alabama and run the table? It ain't gonna happen. The goal of the program is to be consistently good, always in a bowl game, and try to strike lightning every now and then and try to squeeze into a playoff. Realistically, how many times in a decade should Georgia Tech expect that? Once? Twice? They haven't played for one in 31 years. 3 decades and a year. ALL THAT BEING SAID, that is the path I see. That doesn't mean nobody else can win at Georgia Tech. I don't think Geoff Collins will, but I think a "herd" coach can obviously win at Georgia Tech. That system wins all over the place. I think it will be more difficult, less entertaining, with more risk of failure, more inconsistent, etc... But I could be totally wrong on that. [/QUOTE]
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