Malaise

[GT33]

GT basketball is stuck in a protracted period of malaise. Leading up to and watching last night's game I ws trying to put my finger on it. Been staring at half staffs for many days, reminders of a period when I was more youthful but people in general had lost hope. Bobby Cremins, loved him to death but the air was nearly out of the ball at the end of his tenure, in retrospect the usce maneuver seeminingly neutered GT basketball. Then came the popular guy hire. He drove us to the Finals, but his CTO was maddening and when is coaches left we entered a period of despair. BG, ouch, he was never up to the task but a likable chap. We kept keep on keeping on because the Tit was under renovation and when complete he'd get his mojo back & GT basketball would return to form. Welp, time for Josh. Not good enough for Memphis with all their shady dealingg or maybe he wasn't shady enough to work out there, so we gave it a go. Again, nice enough fellow like a comfortable old shoe, but you just couldn't walk iny distance in that sucker for long. There were just enough ups, the ACC Champ and NIT run, to make you think maybe the light might come on. Nope, just a dim bulb. Now we have CDS. Oh my, not sure what to say.

There's a pivotal line in this article beyond the musings of how to get out of malaise which obviosuly is great, innovative lreadership. "It is better to have signed an inferior talent that can fail fast and be upgraded". That's where we are.

I have no idea if a mid-season ouster is appropriate, do it at the end of the year or give it another year. I do know when we're suffering from is malaise.

A malaise can be worse than a crisis

Europe is hard to reform because things are tolerably bad

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[Peacone36]

You gotta give CDS another season at the very least. The 2025 class of Fleming, Chatfield, Stores and Kirouac has the potential to be the best class Tech has seen since Elder, McHenry, Ish, Nelson and Schenscher in 2001.

 

[slugboy]

You gotta give CDS another season at the very least. The 2025 class of Fleming, Chatfield, Stores and Kirouac has the potential to be the best class Tech has seen since Elder, McHenry, Ish, Nelson and Schenscher in 2001.

I agree, but something has to be done to organize the team--some change in assistants, I would think

I was hoping that Greg Gary would bring some of that Matt Painter Purdue offense here, but he seems to be just an analyst.

 

[lv20gt]

You gotta give CDS another season at the very least. The 2025 class of Fleming, Chatfield, Stores and Kirouac has the potential to be the best class Tech has seen since Elder, McHenry, Ish, Nelson and Schenscher in 2001.

He will get at least another year barring off the court issues, but I see little chance our class as is will surpass the 09 class of Favors, Rice, Miller, Oliver, Udofia, and Holsey.

 

[GTHomer]

He will get at least another year barring off the court issues, but I see little chance our class as is will surpass the 09 class of Favors, Rice, Miller, Oliver, Udofia, and Holsey.

That would be an interesting thread topic, rate the best basketball recruiting classes. I would think the measure would be the actual contributions while at Tech.

Though CBC typically had small recruiting classes, one cannot argue their production. Can any class top the recruiting class from 1982 that included Mark Price, John Salley and Yvon Joseph? This class also included Danny Pearson, Tim Harvey and Jack Mansell. The next season, the recruiting class included Bruce Dalrymple and Craig Neal.

 

[forensicbuzz]

That would be an interesting thread topic, rate the best basketball recruiting classes. I would think the measure would be the actual contributions while at Tech.

Though CBC typically had small recruiting classes, one cannot argue their production. Can any class top the recruiting class from 1982 that included Mark Price, John Salley and Yvon Joseph? This class also included Danny Pearson, Tim Harvey and Jack Mansell. The next season, the recruiting class included Bruce Dalrymple and Craig Neal.

Once those classes were established, CBC went to the Thin Gold Line and generally brought in 1-2 blue chippers a class. The class that was Elder, Ish, McHenry, and Schenscher is probably the most productive. Bosh, Jack, and Tarver was pretty good. Crittenton and Young came in together. Favors, Rice, and Udofia were together.

 

[Peacone36]

That would be an interesting thread topic, rate the best basketball recruiting classes. I would think the measure would be the actual contributions while at Tech.

Though CBC typically had small recruiting classes, one cannot argue their production. Can any class top the recruiting class from 1982 that included Mark Price, John Salley and Yvon Joseph? This class also included Danny Pearson, Tim Harvey and Jack Mansell. The next season, the recruiting class included Bruce Dalrymple and Craig Neal.

Probably not. That Price/Salley class was transcendent and turned the entire trajectory of the program.

The Elder/Ish class had everything. Scorer in Elder, Uncle Mo swinger in Ish though it took him awhile to develop. Mchenry was arguably greatest glue guy in program history. Great in the high post, tremendous defender. Luke was a solid College center.

What would have happened if Southall had come instead of Luke? Always an interesting game to play.

 

[GTNavyNuke]

You gotta give CDS another season at the very least. The 2025 class of Fleming, Chatfield, Stores and Kirouac has the potential to be the best class Tech has seen since Elder, McHenry, Ish, Nelson and Schenscher in 2001.

Glad to hear you say that since you know basketball. I have a lot more hope for basketball than the other bb.

 

[forensicbuzz]

Probably not. That Price/Salley class was transcendent and turned the entire trajectory of the program.

The Elder/Ish class had everything. Scorer in Elder, Uncle Mo swinger in Ish though it took him awhile to develop. Mchenry was arguably greatest glue guy in program history. Great in the high post, tremendous defender. Luke was a solid College center.

What would have happened if Southall had come instead of Luke? Always an interesting game to play.

What would have happened if Hewitt had brought in Omeka Okafor instead of Michael Southall? Okafor wanted to come to Tech and we were his first OV, but Southall got that spot.

Clarence Moore was the glue guy on that team.

Southall didn't do squat with his opportunity. Saw him a couple of years later playing for the Ragin' Cajuns of OoLaLa. Wasn't impressed with his game.

 

[7979]

Probably not. That Price/Salley class was transcendent and turned the entire trajectory of the program.

The Elder/Ish class had everything. Scorer in Elder, Uncle Mo swinger in Ish though it took him awhile to develop. Mchenry was arguably greatest glue guy in program history. Great in the high post, tremendous defender. Luke was a solid College center.

What would have happened if Southall had come instead of Luke? Always an interesting game to play.

"...Price/Salley class was transcendent and turned the entire trajectory of the program....."
Mark Price is the GT GOAT......

 

[Techster]

What would have happened if Hewitt had brought in Omeka Okafor instead of Michael Southall? Okafor wanted to come to Tech and we were his first OV, but Southall got that spot.

Clarence Moore was the glue guy on that team.

Southall didn't do squat with his opportunity. Saw him a couple of years later playing for the Ragin' Cajuns of OoLaLa. Wasn't impressed with his game.

We win the Natty in 2003-2004 over UConn (or most likely someone else) is what happens. We saw what UConn was without Okafor in the preseason NIT (we beat them pretty handily 77-61), and we saw what UConn was with him in the NCAAT Final (we lost 82-73). We got worked in the first half of that game in large part because of Okafor, but we battled back in the 2nd half and actually won that half. Unfortunately, we put ourselves in too big of a hole to overcome.

I agree about Moore. He was widely considered the glue guy on that team. McHenry was more the swiss army knife that could do just about anything. Kinda reminded me of Scotty Pippen in that sense.

 

[Peacone36]

What would have happened if Hewitt had brought in Omeka Okafor instead of Michael Southall? Okafor wanted to come to Tech and we were his first OV, but Southall got that spot.

Clarence Moore was the glue guy on that team.

Southall didn't do squat with his opportunity. Saw him a couple of years later playing for the Ragin' Cajuns of OoLaLa. Wasn't impressed with his game.

He had a bad showing in the tournament IIRC but he was the centerpiece of that team when they went to the dance. I could be misremembering, that was a long time ago.

I had forgotten about the Okafor thing. Zoiks, what a team that would have been.

 

[Root4GT]

What would have happened if Hewitt had brought in Omeka Okafor instead of Michael Southall? Okafor wanted to come to Tech and we were his first OV, but Southall got that spot.

Clarence Moore was the glue guy on that team.

Southall didn't do squat with his opportunity. Saw him a couple of years later playing for the Ragin' Cajuns of OoLaLa. Wasn't impressed with his game.

That was back in the day when you could only recruit 7 new scholarships over 2 years and we ran out of ships for Oakfor. We were under the 13 limit though. That rule lasted only a few years as the true Blue Bloids were getting hot into one and done.

 

[MtnWasp]

n/t

 

[GT33]

One way to get rid of the malaise is to bag a big recruit.

Are the current guys looking over their shoulders and see what is coming? Have they checked out because of that?

We haven't even started to portal yet.