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<blockquote data-quote="slugboy" data-source="post: 913729" data-attributes="member: 282"><p>I should add in, we just had 3 1/2 years with a coach who has left us at the bottom of the conference:</p><ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">The first year was a transition year, so it didn't count</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">The second year was a COVID year, so it didn't count</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">I think the third year he needed at least 4 years to build an offensive line? </li> </ol><p>For any new coach, the first year counts. It may be bad, but it counts. It's the same with the remaining years. I've learned my lesson. </p><p></p><p>On one hand, you can see exceptional causes ruining a season. On the other hand, giving a coach an excuse means that they don't have to take responsibility. I don't know what Stansbury did after the first 3-9 season, but that was a mistake. The coach has to be accountable. </p><p></p><p>If we look at just our coaching transition history, </p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Paul Johnson took a 7-5 team that lost players to transfer and had a shortened recruiting cycle and went 9-4. Lots of people point to the "2007 was our best recruiting class in 20 years", but a team with more recruiting talent won fewer games the year before he took over. </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Chan Gailey took a team that went 8-5 the year before and went 7-6. He had a high floor and a low ceiling, and we did not progress in the time he was here</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">George O'Leary took a 1-10 team and went 6-5 the next season. He was interim in the 1994 season (and winless then), and did not go bowling until year #3 (1997) when he got Ralph Friedgen to come be OC from San Diego. </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Bill Lewis took an 8-5 team and went 5-6 with it, and went downhill and crashed and burned badly. Hindenburg badly. </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Bobby Ross took a 5-5-1 senior-laden team and went 2-9 with it the next year. He went 2-9, 3-8, 7-4, 11-0-1, 8-5. It took him three years to turn in a good result, and he had one magical season. </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Bill Curry took a 4-6-1 Pepper Rodgers squad and went 1-9-1 with them. We were on the struggle bus for most of his coaching tenure. We went to ONE bowl game with Bill Curry. </li> </ul><p>A lot has changed in college football over the last 40 years on the flats. Bobby Ross is the only coach that had two poor first years to turn the program around. For the rest, you saw immediate improvement if you were getting better, and if you didn't then it wasn't going to be a fun coaching tenure.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="slugboy, post: 913729, member: 282"] I should add in, we just had 3 1/2 years with a coach who has left us at the bottom of the conference: [LIST=1] [*]The first year was a transition year, so it didn't count [*]The second year was a COVID year, so it didn't count [*]I think the third year he needed at least 4 years to build an offensive line? [/LIST] For any new coach, the first year counts. It may be bad, but it counts. It's the same with the remaining years. I've learned my lesson. On one hand, you can see exceptional causes ruining a season. On the other hand, giving a coach an excuse means that they don't have to take responsibility. I don't know what Stansbury did after the first 3-9 season, but that was a mistake. The coach has to be accountable. If we look at just our coaching transition history, [LIST] [*]Paul Johnson took a 7-5 team that lost players to transfer and had a shortened recruiting cycle and went 9-4. Lots of people point to the "2007 was our best recruiting class in 20 years", but a team with more recruiting talent won fewer games the year before he took over. [*]Chan Gailey took a team that went 8-5 the year before and went 7-6. He had a high floor and a low ceiling, and we did not progress in the time he was here [*]George O'Leary took a 1-10 team and went 6-5 the next season. He was interim in the 1994 season (and winless then), and did not go bowling until year #3 (1997) when he got Ralph Friedgen to come be OC from San Diego. [*]Bill Lewis took an 8-5 team and went 5-6 with it, and went downhill and crashed and burned badly. Hindenburg badly. [*]Bobby Ross took a 5-5-1 senior-laden team and went 2-9 with it the next year. He went 2-9, 3-8, 7-4, 11-0-1, 8-5. It took him three years to turn in a good result, and he had one magical season. [*]Bill Curry took a 4-6-1 Pepper Rodgers squad and went 1-9-1 with them. We were on the struggle bus for most of his coaching tenure. We went to ONE bowl game with Bill Curry. [/LIST] A lot has changed in college football over the last 40 years on the flats. Bobby Ross is the only coach that had two poor first years to turn the program around. For the rest, you saw immediate improvement if you were getting better, and if you didn't then it wasn't going to be a fun coaching tenure. [/QUOTE]
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