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<blockquote data-quote="gt24" data-source="post: 774863" data-attributes="member: 538"><p>Agree that with both DDM 4-out and Princeton 5-out, our mediocre 3pt shooting is a detriment to keeping the lane as open as desired. I suspect this (3pt %) is the primary reason Bubba gets far more minutes than Kyle. Agree that it will be very interesting to see how both offenses look in the years ahead with better shooters on the way. </p><p></p><p>Some might not consider Pastner's version of Princeton as truly a 5-out offense because he has Moses at the elbow and not outside the arc. In my mind it still fits the definition or categorization of 5-out because the lower ~80% of the lane is open for backdoors and because Moses ends up popping/stretching out to the arc frequently after the initial actions/cuts. The principles are the same, as are many of the actions and reads.</p><p></p><p>We tried to run a ton of 4-out DDM the first 2 games but it was very very motionless - it was dribble drive iso instead of dribble drive motion. So much so that many times it looked like we were not running any offense and just playing 1v5, but in reality it was very poor DDM. Since those first 2 games, Pastner switched to much more 5-out Princeton (his version of it) and just sprinkles in 4-out DDM occasionally. There are still plenty of times when the shot clock is running down that we give the ball to Jose and say "go make a play" but most of those are not 4-out DDM. When we do run DDM now, we are now frequently using the "thru cut" from the second guard to begin offense, which has helped with generating/manufacturing more motion and less stagnation/camping on the arc from all 4 perimeter players. I do not recall seeing the "thru cut" at all in the first 2 games.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="gt24, post: 774863, member: 538"] Agree that with both DDM 4-out and Princeton 5-out, our mediocre 3pt shooting is a detriment to keeping the lane as open as desired. I suspect this (3pt %) is the primary reason Bubba gets far more minutes than Kyle. Agree that it will be very interesting to see how both offenses look in the years ahead with better shooters on the way. Some might not consider Pastner's version of Princeton as truly a 5-out offense because he has Moses at the elbow and not outside the arc. In my mind it still fits the definition or categorization of 5-out because the lower ~80% of the lane is open for backdoors and because Moses ends up popping/stretching out to the arc frequently after the initial actions/cuts. The principles are the same, as are many of the actions and reads. We tried to run a ton of 4-out DDM the first 2 games but it was very very motionless - it was dribble drive iso instead of dribble drive motion. So much so that many times it looked like we were not running any offense and just playing 1v5, but in reality it was very poor DDM. Since those first 2 games, Pastner switched to much more 5-out Princeton (his version of it) and just sprinkles in 4-out DDM occasionally. There are still plenty of times when the shot clock is running down that we give the ball to Jose and say "go make a play" but most of those are not 4-out DDM. When we do run DDM now, we are now frequently using the "thru cut" from the second guard to begin offense, which has helped with generating/manufacturing more motion and less stagnation/camping on the arc from all 4 perimeter players. I do not recall seeing the "thru cut" at all in the first 2 games. [/QUOTE]
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